Defiler needs some love.
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+1 to this thread. Dreadscorcher looks nice on paper, but I hardly doubt it can deal damage similar to Desolator, for example
it can’t do desolator dmg anyway. But i don’t think they’d do +1 to 3 classes and so many mods.
The weapon just needs more power
I’d rather see +1 demo +2 inquisitor and pierce to aether conversion.
More likely to happen than the first. Bt it’s still +3 mastery. Who knows Hellborne has +4 so…
…Since we are on rifles.
Can we delete this on Hellborne
2.5 Meter Radius to Grenado
100% Physical Damage converted to Fire Damage to Grenado
with
Shooty Burny stuff to be a true burn vs flat dmg competitor next to Desolator
Well, VoX rifle also grants +4 mastery in total.
BTW, I like the idea of mod with pierce to aether convertion.
Dude. The inquisitor class has way too much support as it is. The defiler needs love.
+2 to demo, +1 to necro is what the weapon needs IMO, while dropping the rest of the +skill points.
I think its better to turn Hellborn intro a caster 2h riffle - scrap IAS, +2ES and BR mod and add %CDR and Ulzuin chosen . Add %WD to grenade?
Personally i’m bent on it being it a flamethrower and napalm mobs with bursting round.
22% AS is not to be ignored.
It tough to judge because burn wise, ulzuin can do the same at full set. But here you can do it with one item. You can use lvl 22 bwc with it too transmuted
But why? That mod makes Grenado into a fiery/burny beast with some serious AoE. I thought it fit really nicely with the burn theme myself…
Please not another Grenado weapon. There is barrelsmith set, there is an Adversary and there is Blazerush. Everything defiled by Grenado is doomed to suck.
Hellborne is not bad. Would had been super strong if it was a Tactician weapon instead of Purifier.
Cadence casting Burn with 500% WD? Interesting
Hellborne is not bad…
DMG-wise its a 2H pistol.
Cool, show me a pistol with 400+ dot dmg over 3 seconds then.
as dragon said, damage is Desolator, flat dmg. This is burn, but it’s not quite enough.
But hey if it has to have grenado, why not do add 40% wp dmg and 20% crit on nades.
That way they will hit good and burn even better with IT converted and ignaffar mitts
I started this thread with such hopes…
Jokes aside, I think excellent points are being raised here:
> Buff grenado-based skill modifiers
> BUFF ITEMS WHICH CAN POTENTIALLY SUPPORT DEFILERS
Like seriously. Who gives a shit about aether based stun jacks given by the conduit?
Hey, you’re not alone. I support the dreadscorcher thing too. But I wanna go further. Remove the +1 to Inquisitor on that rifle. If ever we get 2h aether gunner to be viable and this becomes the frontrunner, it wouldn’t be good if it’s relegated to “just another purifier build”. We need to minimize that possibility. Of course +1 necro isn’t gonna make defiler strong in an instant but this is a start.
+1 to necro, +2 to demo IMO. Drop the +3 to FS.
It’s called the dreadscorcher. You sons-of-mothers have to agree that it fits so nicely with the concept of a defiler.
EDIT: And yes, drop the +1 to inqui and arcanist as well.
There is VoS penetrating rifle with +2 necro. Do you see a lot of VoS defilers around? Nou? Guess why? Cause its better to use it on Ritualist And even then it suck compared to well-done purifier.
PPl overestimate the power of +2 demo. Like what do you get from it? 20 dmg for brimstone and some minor %wd bonus on firestrike +2 free skill points not wasted on vindictive flame and some minor bonus to blast shield that don’t work 70% of time.
For the record, I just wanna say that I was joking about the sons-of-mothers comment just in case anyone took offense to it. And if they did, I apologize. I forget sometimes that emotions/body language doesn’t get conveyed across cyberspace.
Anyhow, I’m certain I’m going to get a lot of flak for saying this (sorry fluff!) but…
It’s not so much so of whether a +2 will fix the problems faced by the demo class. It’s the fact that this is a class which has been so vastly overshadowed by other classes in terms of how ‘matchable’ it is with a second mastery.
Yes. There have been several 170 grade builds which involve the demo class, but the vast majority of them are purifiers. Occasionally you might get a FW commando (because FW is strong), or a darkblaze pyro (because darkblaze is strong).
So AFAIK, the demo is a class which needs to rely on a crutch to truly excel.
I’m SURE it’s possible to make a top tier build with the demo, but to do so you’re limited to very few class combinations.
> Necromancer is out
> Shaman not so much unless you go shaman heavy and use the demo for RR.
> Occultist only with the darkblaze
> Sorc you’re limited to your typical BWC spam, or callidor’s + devastation. But I’ve already proven that devastation alone is good 'nuff to carry a build.
> And let’s not even go near the nightblade
Again, this is nothing more than my opinion, so it’s probably as limited as my theorycrafting ability is. Which is to say - very limited.
I just firmly believe that if crate won’t buff the demo anytime soon, the least they can do is give items bonuses to indirectly buff the competitiveness of the class.
EDIT: The demo used to be the ranged specialist of classes. Then laaa~ deee~ da. Mr Fancy inquisitor shows up to town with his shiny WPS’s and took that spot.