I got proven very wrong on page two of this thread. And it seems like i just had to stick with it and keep farming untill i had more of the items i had in mind for the build… I’ll leave OP here ofcourse
[SPOILER]Hi there, this might sound like as one big rant and it somewhat is for sure but it’s because i used to love the game and now i can’t bring myself to play for any amount of time…
I started playing in b12-13 when BWC was actually good (prolly abit OP but u overnerfed it) ever since that build has gone through many revisions and u still haven’t fixed it.
let me give u a hint:
Make it stack again and put a cap on it or adjust damage accordingly.
i must have played nearly 150 hours with the skill back then and haven’t found a skill setup so far that keeps me interested. When legendaries were introduced and the devotion system i saw a chance to revive the build again and HORRIBLY failed.
Completely started from fresh when the game fully released, exploring every corner of the map untill i eventually arrived at ultimate around 40 hours later. And coming from Path of Exile (8k hours) ive seen a fair a few amount of builds fail but none like this one. No damage or survivability even after revising the devotion tree twice and going completely defensive meaning i might aswell just have not existed cuz my highest hits were like 1.2k. I couldnt even kill white mobs in a timely manner.
Now you could say sack it off and reroll but the game is quite longwinded before u get to the endgame so sacrifcing 40 hours everytime just to see an idea completely get smashed because of bad balance is not something i’m up for. I loved this game when there was just the warden to farm and almost no itemization and now i can’t bring myself to play it anymore…
I tried a couple of build guides from more experienced players aswell but the skills just weren’t fun to play for me or required a ridiculous amount of gear to work.
I do look forward to the new class and hopefully it will bring some new and refreshing skills to the table but for the love of Cairn bring back BWC!!![/spoiler]
BWC isn’t meant to be your default attack. It does what it is supposed to do. It debuffs opponents and hits like a supportive nuke. If anything BWC needs to be weakened instead of made stronger. I just like it the way it is.
And i’m asking for it to be more than a debuff mechanic. Like it was two years ago. If i wanna build around a skill then i should be able to do that. That’s what these games are about is it not?
Not all skills serve that purpose. But hey. if we can turn Bloody Pox in a base attack skill then i don’t see why you’re not able to make BWC work. Just need to push it into ultimate ranks and get thermite mines for fire resist debuff. Then grab occultist with some aura’s to boost chaos damage% output. and gear with fire/chaos damage% and it should work. But don’t expect something massive. it is, and will be, a debuff skill and not a primary attack skill.
I don’t really understand the comparison between b12-13 and now.
There was 2-3 masteries to play around in Act 1 Normal (if we can call it Normal) up to level 30.
Now there are 6 masteries, 4 act, 3 difficulties and a level cap of 85.
How anyone can even tell if a skill was “good” if the real challenge wasn’t even present?
My subclass is arcanist for the good defensive/offensive options there so that’s a no go i’m afraid unless i reroll again, my bwc was at 24 i believe not sure if that counts as an ultimate rank
I’ve tried many different setups with the skills but there’s just no way i’ll ever reach respectable numbers. I see video’s critting for 30k like it’s nothing, highest ive ever seen was 4.5k i believe with a full dps setup at lvl 70… I don’t want the OPness back from B13 but i do want it to be a viable skill for at least the first half of ultimate so you can farm for items and make other builds (which is what i enjoy the most in these games)
The reason u don’t understand the comparison is because u didnt play back then judging from your join date. If this is a new account then sorry. But it was a complete different mechanic back then and it was considered the best skill for quite awhile. And then they turned it into this debuffing mechanic while releasing or overtuning other skills to numbers that are quite silly.
A 36 point skill can’t be just a debuff/supportive attack, nor was ever intended be this way.
Besides the inconvenient and annoying gameplay it provides, due to the low projectile speed, skill got serious damage potential, if multiple additional sources of resistance reduction are added (like the majority of skills in this game). Items, components, relics, OFF if sorcerer. Can’t tell if this is good, more likely - not. Too much emphasis on res reduction dependancy.
Standalone, its damage sucks.
Well I have played with all versions of it. It’s a strong, skill I find it very fun. Honestly bwc has loads of gear for it, so getting lots of points on it is easy. I have it with the transmuter and also use firestrike and mines. Putting meteor shower devotion on it’s very effective. It’s in no way a bad skill.
no, the reason he is not understanding this is that in b12 you only had the first act of the first difficulty. Anything at all was and is powerful enough to get you through that.
Comparing how strong a skill is damage wise at the easiest part of the game and expecting it to be just as strong in the hardest part is your flaw here
Not all skills are primarily damage dealers, but in the early game they all deal enough damage to be if you invest heavily into them
I remember DS being quite challenging back then. Also that’s the second time i see this argument, but why are you people so against having more skills to play? BWC was clearly meant to be a primary skill, i think you know this…
Guess i’ll sit it out untill the new class arrives, there’s still hope left
Well, as far as i know, BWC Sorc/Pyro/Commando is amongst the top tier builds right now (1.0.0.8).
OP’s problem could POSSIBLY be that he(/she)'s trying to kill everything with BWC ALONE an expect to do it fast which is a feat no single skill capable of in this game.
However, coupling BWC with Thermite Mines, the devotions Eldritch Fire and Flame Torrent and some item procs (IK set, Wyrmbone Handguards, Entropic Coil, Ulzuin’s Pyroclasm etc…) results in a massive fiery mayhem capable of obliterating everything.
BWC might not be the main attack (as in it deals all the damage alone) but it’s the thing that procs every skill in the BWC Infernal Knight build.
Also expecting a single skill at this point to do most of the damage at the current state of the game is kind of stupid in my honest opinion. Even LMB builds have to rely on the other skills to support the main skill.
OP, till level 20+ Olexra’s flash freeze obliterates full screen in 1 click without any cold damage support, so let’s demand to make it this powerfull through the whole game?
And just look for BWC build here on forum, it’s fucking new meta and you’re asking for buff? It will hardly happen.
Dont need to exeggerate… Its only useful for RR and it cant be main attack unless you invest everything on that skill(gear,devotion etc)… But then it becomes a moderate damage skill alone
You people are nuts BWC is more then capable of being your main damage skill. It melts the game once you invest in it. Yes Early game it is a bit horrible for damage, so you use the transumter. This helps with the energy cost and the lack of cast speed. But once you can afford the spamming of it and have a decent amount of cast speed it will burn the world.
