Can we have Tome of Names tweaked to support phys PRM?

In light of PRM rework i started looking for off-beat options for the skill and remembered we have a phys off-hand with a basically void PRM mod:

There are 3 other offhand supporting elemental PRMs and all of them are stronger than this one for elemental. So I would assume it’s meant to be used for phys PRM with an early endgame leveling option (lvl84 item) as elemental. But the latter is kinda moot because we had Groble offhand for elemental buffed at 1.2.1. So naturally you want to try and make phys PRM here.

The issue here is that it doesn’t have any conversions. The dagger has 50% ele to phys, but where to get the rest? You have to invest a lot of non-phys items into the skill ranks, and then you have to find items with global ele and aether to phys. So you end up in a very weird situation where the better phys PRM you can build is made with a non-PRM phys off-hand. Because with its conversions it frees up a lot of value to invest into items with PRM line ranks.

Anyway, IMO the offhand can receive either global (preferably) or PRM specific conversions to enable a new and unusual phys build.

Side question, is it possible to make Eternity relic give %all dmg instead of ele and aether? A relic with such an epic name calls for universal support of all those acid, vitality, phys, pierce and chaos Cronley challenger Arcanists.

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something like 50% Elemental and 50% Aether converted to Physical to Divine Mandate should do the trick without hurting builds who are using this OH for Elemental PRM (unless those builds are Templars which is probably really rare).

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Elemental PRM with this off-hand is a working build and you can even ignore any Invoker set pieces. I certainly don’t want to see it being remodeled and lose the chance to make elemental PRM, this is one of the rare examples of tri-elemental build.

I like Lee’s suggestion of Mandate mod, this will simultaneously boost both physical PRM and FoI, without hurting elemental version. I would also suggest higher % elemental bonus.

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Do you need a working option when there is an MI that exists for the same purpose, ele PRM? If the MI is weaker it needs to be buffed. For PRM they are functuionally the same so one of them should be redundant.

But Divine Mandate mod is an interesting idea.

The 1337 builders sure are working overtime to get my character deleted.

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I also use it for ele PRM.

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only thing i didn’t like was needing to activate 4 devos, otherwise :ok_hand:

Haha, this is the best performing offhand if you’re playing pure elemental prm. Maybe if the MI offhand got a similar RR proc

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Whatever is performing best, and whatever superduper build anyone has, there are two offhands that serve the same purpose, MI and legendary, don’t think we usually have that, right? If there are similar items for dmg type + skill, they at least ususally add different things on top. In here it’s just effectively the same items if you make a tri-elemental PRM. If legendary is >> MI, that’s a point of concern.

Also in total we have 4 off-hands for elemental PRM, and a bunch of elemental gear with PRM mods. You can also make aether PRM and that’s it, even vitality spam was removed some time ago. Makes sense to give some love to other dmg types. Would love for vitality conduit to go back to spam.

The idea with a mod to Mandate sounds alright. Alternatively, the dagger can have conversion mods to IEE back.

Which ones? I really can’t find that many for elemental damage. (Really only two, but I might be blind)

Assuming you mean the groble effigy, it has energy discount and crit damage. No rr proc. And both boost different nodes of prm. I don’t see the problem.

Why? MI is much easier to obtain than the legendary.

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sry, unsure if it’s because it’s late or i’m misreading it, but elaborate; how is it a problem, remotely/exactly?

if anything that is/has been both a theme and general perception among many that legends should be the best, and not always MIs.

as for Legends and MIs covering the same theme, that’s also been relatively common.
It would however be a consideration if there is indeed 4 offhands doing the “exact” same, since that means 1 or 2 of them might be slightly redundant :thinking:

as it stands, because of the RR proc as other points out, that makes this pretty great for ele, no?, - so is fair to stay entirely capable for that, regardless of MIs or other offhands

No it isn’t.

MIs can be better than some Legendaries in some builds, but not uniformly all the time.

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Yep. I see no problem with the two off hands as well.

Because each item has to have its purpose, that’s the design direction undertaken for quite some time ago, if i understood it correctly. If there is a regular legendary that is stricktly superior to an MI even if MI is well rolled, what’s the purpose of the item?

Groble off-hand has no other mods on it, if you wear it for an ele PRM build, it only does smth for PRM. So if it’s stricktly inferior to a legendary, what purpose does it serve for ele PRM? One might argue that this off-hand is very good for aether PRM. But if that’s the case, why does it have an ele flat added, hinting it can be used for ele PRM? Moreover it has some inclination for ele affixes in drop chances. So it is in fact a only PRM ele offhand that’s inferior to a regular legendary.

But overall it seems like it’s a separate topic. My original point is the following: we have a grand total of 3 off-hands for physical casters, and only one of them is producing any sort of good builds. And the same off-hand is better for making a phys PRM than the actual phys PRM off-hand.

We have 4 ways to build an elemental PRM which is more than the total amount of good physical casters period. So when i see a physical off-hand with a PRM mod, first thing i think of is how do i make this unique physical build, not how do i make an N-th elemental PRM with it. That immediate thought makes me think that phys side of the off-hand should be a priority, and right now it’s not.

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Invoker and Farath’s Cube are not the elemental most of the responders are talking about, they are cold/light or fire/light. At least in my testing case and from what I can tell others in the thread, this is elemental as actual even (or as close to as possible) 3 way elemental damage. For that, only the MI and Tome of Names are valid choices. Considering 3 way elemental already struggles for RR, Tome of Names easily beats out the MI here without considering the higher flat damage mod.

I don’t see an issue with buffing the MI, but as a (soft?) rule, they do not have procs, only skill mods. Considering it only has one mod right now (PRM) and gearing pure elemental PRM is basically Mage Hunter or get lost, maybe it could get ele + aether RR mods to inquisitor seal so the purple can go harder on physical focus

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levelling
guaranteed alternate until the RNG drop happens
alternate if your stats are fucked because as a scrub builder you don’t know where to get stats :sweat_smile:
just general alternative use because a legend might come with conversion mods an inferior MI doesnt’ making it have slight less fixed utility.
and ofc just build teaser/“item suggesting build in this direction”

i feel like that would be a separate issue, but not less valid but also not making the mi vs ele legend point more valid :sweat_smile:

which would be something to look at, but again wouldn’t’ necessitate ending this offhand working for ele PRM, nor would it directly be related to MIs should be superior or exclusive/singular item existence for X build
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But that’s assuming all the offhands actually serve the tri same ele purpose, and how gross the MI was squandered (lots of MIs are unused remember).
Since this has RR proc, it might not mean the MI should directly compete with it “overall”, but serve the stepping stone role or alternative role where it can be decent even if not always bis/not bis for all tri ele setups

As for the direct phys PRM issue, still ignoring the availability issue for phys casters, i think Lee’s suggestion seemed good (and without rereading i think you also agreed to that?), and that suggestion could then help phys PRM while retaining the ele PRM utility, so everybody wins ? (assuming the suggestion gets accepted by Z ofc)