Damage Conversion Order of Operations

[CheshireGray]

Does anyone happen to know in what order % conversions are applied?

Example: If you have Albrecht’s Aether Ray with Tainted Power, and 2 of Albrecht’s Duality, is the beam Aether or Chaos?

If using Blood Orb of Ch’Thon alongside Storm Totem with Corrupted Storm, do you end up with Vitality or Chaos?

If you were to have a weapon with X% Physical Damage converted to Cold Damage, is that damage then converted to Chaos damage with the Blood Orb? If so, how does IEE interact? Is the Physical to Elemental then converted to Chaos? Would it be further converted to Aether with Albrecht’s Duality?

I don’t think there’s an example of this currently without using mods to add custom items, but if you had Warpfire, and a similar weapon which converted, say, 80% of Cold Damage to Lightning Damage, which wins? (We would have this situation with the Blood Orb, if Warpfire didn’t convert elemental damage to another elemental damage.)

What happens if more than 100% of a damage type is converted, as would be with the Clairvoyant’s Set and 2 of Albrecht’s Duality totaling up to 140% of Chaos Damage before deviation, or something like Blessed Steel’s active ability + IEE?

[Steelflame]

Arcanist builds

Not exactly once, but generally only once.

There is a line of actions the game takes.

Step 1. Base damage on the skill, and all damage amplifiers within the skill line itself. Example for Panetti’s, would be Panettis base damage, and Supercharge amp of 80%. You then have Panneti’s base damage (lets say 20, just for easy math), + 80% elemental boost, resulting in 36.

Step 2. Transmuters directly attached to the skill. Think Tainted Ray.

Step 3. Gear and buff applied conversions. IEE, Reckless Power, Warpfire, Blood Orb, Clarivoyant Set, ect, are all applied at the same exact time in the damage conversions. Don’t know the exact order of two things try to modify the same value, but I think it prioritizes gear innate conversions over buffs IIRC, meaning if you are using Warpfire, and Blood Orb, Your cold damage will convert to fire, and everything else will convert to chaos. It’s a bit messy to figure out overall.

4. All non inner-skill based damage multipliers are applied, from all sources. Effectively, your total +% to X damage types.

Going back to Panetti’s demo idea, assuming you have +900% Chaos damage, and convert Panetti’s to Chaos via Blood Orb, you multiply that into base Panetti damage (20) by the +900%, so 200, plus the bonus +80% you got from Supercharged, or 16, for a total of 216 damage, all applied as Chaos damage. Now obviously Panettis doesn’t have 20 base damage except at very low ranks, but we just wanted easy math and 20 gave us easy math.

We can also use Panetti’s for a far more complicated conversion discussion, the idea of how Warpfire interacts within the Panetti line.

Step 1, Base Panetti’s, lets assume 60 damage for clean numbers, and a perfect 100% conversion from Warpfire (Don’t know if Warpfire has potential for a 100% roll or not, but clean math trumps all for this explanation so lets assume it does). We pick up Distortion, which for clean math, lets say grants a flat +100% fire damage to Panetti’s. This increases base Panetti damage to 20 cold, 20 Lightning, 40 Fire.

2. Warpfire is applied, converting Cold into Fire. Here, we see Panettis has +100% fire damage, so where do we apply it? We apply it before we convert, meaning we end up with 60 (20 from Distortion, 40 Base) Fire, 20 Lightning, not 80 Fire, 20 Lightning, as if Warpfire applied first.

Really complicated territory here, with multiple parts of the Panetti’s tree skill line, with clean math numbers.

Base Panetti 60 damage, 20 Fire, 20 Cold, 20 Lightning. Distortion, Supercharged, both applying a +100% bonus (Meaning 200% fire 100% cold 100% Lightning), and Warpfire applying a 100% cold to fire conversion. Step 1, Apply all damage amplifiers. Fire 60(20 Base + 40 Bonus), Cold 40 (20 base + 20 Bonus), and Lightning 40 (20 base + 20 Bonus). Warpfire applied, and we change to Fire 100 (20 base, 40 bonus, C to F 20 base, C to F 20 Bonus), Lightning 40 (20 Base, 20 Bonus).

Assuming we decide to NOW apply the +900% fire damage you just happen to have sitting around as your multplier, here is the results we get.

Fire 460 (20 base Fire+900%, 40 bonus fire damage, CtF 20+900%, CtF 20 Bonus).

Just block copying something I posted elsewhere, pretty much exactly what you are looking for, and probably a bit more too.

Now, on the statement of overcapped conversion, it’s based on what order the exact conversions happen in, where the whichever one happens first takes priority, and the leftovers are given to the second conversion. You pretty much never see this happen, except with soldier builds using Cadence+transmutor, because there isn’t enough sources to apply it to to get overcapped conversions in most cases.

[CheshireGray]

That’s part of why I gave the specific example of the Clairvoyant’s Chest & Mantle, plus 2 Albrecht’s Duality. Theoretically, they should all be applied at the same time, which totals up to a 140% Chaos to Aether damage conversion, no?

Also, I know you can’t reconvert converted damage, but does that apply to transmutor conversions? Could I get a 50/50 Aether/Chaos beam with Tainted Power and a Duality?

Are you sure that Blood Orb would apply at the same time as other gear conversions, since Blood Orb conversion is an activated ability?

Clarify on IEE + Blood Orb? Does the Iskandra’s damage become Chaos?

I do appreciate the response, I’ve searched for similar threads and found a few, but many have conflicting information, or don’t answer the specifics I’m wondering about.

[Steelflame]

It’s covered by the statement #3 in the quote.

All buffs are applied at once, with overcap being left over doing nothing. The EXACT order is probably based on some sort of internal ID for buffs, and probably some order based on slot priority for gear, but its transmutor conversions (Which you can further convert into other things, this is things like Tainted Power, which is the only transmutor damage type which can actually be converted further with existing skill conversions and gear other than Cadence’s rather dull and worthless 50% physical into elemental conversion, as no skill had a cold conversion for Warpfire other than Cadence’s 50% into elemental (Of which Warpfire will convert the cold into fire), and no gear can convert Vitality (From Frenetic Throw’s conversion) into anything, and no other skills convert past that, just change casting type), gear, and then buff.

Any conversion can only happen once from Gear/Buffs, meaning no, IEE and Blood Orb will never work together. Overcapped conversion is a flat out waste, as it will do nothing, and you don’t really want it as a result.

[CheshireGray]

Thank you for the response. Some of the game mechanics are less than clear, even with resources like the game guide available, lol.