I was just trying to dumb it down for everyone, as people kept mentioning balance or relating it to gameplay. So yes, they would be NFTs.
Obviously there’s a lot of hate for NFT’s (or everything?) on this forum. There’s also a lot of cynicism here. Yes, this is my first post, but I made it because it seemed like a good idea. You aren’t going to get spammed. Look up my name (MrMcSnuffyFluffy) on YouTube, I’m just a guy with an idea. Or, look up aullus2 on Steam. I play the game, a lot. In fact, I’ve played this game more than any other game in my library.
I’ve never posted because I’ve never had a reason to post. Thought of an idea, made an account, and posted it.
Also, this idea is completely different from that other post.
Mostly because wherever you are used to talking to this about I’m imagining those forums are filled with get-rich-quick schemers trying to hop on the latest hype train. Essentially we can clearly see how NFT’s, if implemented as outlined in that other thread, would totally destroy a great game.
Admittedly your idea is less invasive but yes, I would be strongly biased against any of this latest craze infecting the GD world and/or developers. Fortunately they are pretty level-headed devs and the owner seems to be resistant to unnecessary greed - so, for now I feel comfortable that they would hopefully steer clear of this latest trend in relation to their game.
Cryptocurrency and the technology it operates on using blockchains has been something of a controversial subject I’d say, especially in gaming, so I wouldn’t be too surprised to see a similar reaction from NFTs. The previous topic linked above also was trying to push a line of thinking of owning a limited amount of items that I think placed everyone on tilt for any further mention of NFTs.
My apologies for projecting the same kind of reaction onto your thread without fully reading/understanding.
It seems your plan backfired then . Insofar on what you suggest, I would not object to them selling art assets or renders related to Grim Dawn as I love and still continue to use their freely available wallpapers.
But that’s about it, I don’t see a need to take it further by proving that I own them with a unique token or identifier (again, besides a sale receipt). So long as I don’t do anything illegal with my purchases like distribute them for free or use them for commercial profit as examples then I don’t think Crate will object either.
NFT technology can be used in games to great effect when integrated to the design philosophy. Let’s say GD2 decides to use NFTs for dropable items for example, that would ensure every item in game is legit. They don’t even need to be traded outside the game economy at all.
Or… simply don’t bother with that and unnecessarily reduce the capacity in which the game can be modded. One of the reasons why people love GD is its single player aspect + moddability.
And any online based games don’t need to incorporate NFTs to ensure legitimacy of items. How do you make illegitimate items in PoE for eg? Hacking the servers?
I suppose the difference between the real one and the fake one, in your example, is that the fake one would have zero value. Your argument about enforcement doesn’t work. Go copy the most expensive Cryptopunk and try to sell it. It wouldn’t work, because it’s easy to see that yours is not the original. If we’re arguing about the value of a jpeg having value, in general, I don’t know. Weird things have value. Why do basketball cards sell for hundreds of thousands?
This idea is getting a lot of hate, and I find it interesting. Can anyone explain how Crate releasing a set of 2000 unique digital trading cards would be bad for them? And/or, how it would be bad for the players?
I know they’ve mentioned many times that they’ve done well enough with Grim Dawn to basically do whatever they want, but I still think it’s a good idea. I guess I’d just love to own some unique Grim Dawn artwork.
Both are real ones though. There is no “fake” in the example.
And both are of equal value.
I can ofcourse, give you a virtual “certificate” saying yours is the “real” one and everyone else’s is fake. But that won’t matter to most people as there is no actual difference in the item itself.
And why should anyone bother buying it?
Physical item vs Virtual item.
And regarding most Virtual items, when you buy them you are actually buying the license to use them rather.
On Crate’s part, if it pisses of their loyal fanbase, that would be bad for them. If not, then it would be good, financially atleast.
Can you explain why players would want to buy such stuff? or how it would be good for them?
Why does it need to be unique?
What is preventing anyone from just getting the artwork for free? How do you plan to implement DRM to a jpeg or png?
In almost every one of your replies, you are basically saying that you don’t understand NFTs and blockchain technology.
In the first example, the copied one is fake, and would have zero value, just like the copied Cryptopunk. In both cases, it’s easy to prove who owns the original and the copy would be impossible to sell.
Basketball cards sell for hundreds of thousands because of perceived value, not because of physical vs virtual. There are plenty of examples of digital art NFTs selling for hundreds of thousands (because of perceived value).
Players would want to own the Grim Dawn NFTs because of the same reason people collect any other trading cards. Either to keep forever and personally enjoy them, or to hold them for a while and eventually sell them.
They need to be unique, in this case, because Crate would be doing it to make some money. This would give the cards some value for their initial sale. People enjoy collecting rare things, whether it’s a baseball card or a digital painting of the Mad Queen. Yes, you could right-click on the image and save it, but I would know that I own the original and the blockchain could prove it.
Er, no. Digital art NFTs selling for hundreds of thousands because we live in a world where people will buy a Banana for thousands of dollars. Lack of common sense in some people is not a valid argument.
So… like Steam Cards. Why does that need NFT again?
Or, if it is about personal use and collection, could just… wait for it… save the jpeg/png without bothering with NFTs.
You can keep this forever and enjoy it:
I don’t mind.
Alright, let me put it this way.
What makes you think that most people care about whether you have a certificate proving that yours is the original?
If you think NFTs are a scam, then obviously I’m not going to convince of anything. To the last point, the only people that would need to care is the person selling it and the person buying it.
Take a serious look into NFTs and blockchain tech. They will be used for more than selling jpegs of bananas. Think house, car titles, etc. Anyway, they will have some interesting use cases.
Another thing, I’ve used more than one of your pet builds, over the years. So, thanks for those. I would have never thought we’d be having this conversation.
Problem is, while we might not care about the people buying them, we do care about the original Seller or certificate issuer or whatever you want to call it, i.e., Crate.
And if you are asking “why”, the reason is:
No one who opposes NFTs want to jump the slippery slope and see anything like this happen or become common place.
It is because people have taken a serious look that they oppose it.
That is perfectly fine as people have different opinions on different things and need not agree on everything.
I’ve seen Zantai and medierra and them mention often enough that their artists are pretty overloaded as-is, working on various game projects currently. Assigning them to start churning out unique pieces takes them away from producing art for their games.
I’ve often wished that they could make tons of new, well done loading screen art pieces and they’ve stated that these are a significant time investment, per piece - so, I really don’t see them willing to do the same for NFT purposes. Sounds like they would need to hire an art team expressly for such a purpose, devoted to it and nothing else.
right now they mostly are though. Sure, I can think of good uses, but selling pixel pics of cats for $100 is not one of those
we already can track who owns a house / car, etc. No need for NFTs for most physical items. That is not to say that eventually NFTs will not be used for that, but that is a while off. Right now they are mostly for digital items with little intrinsic value and a lot of speculation added on top of that
I don’t know how it works, but I’ve seen it once. It prevented me from saving the image from the site and it prevented me from printscreening it. I didn’t try to circumvent the protection further to test it’s limitations. I think it is done on the client side (OS perhaps) and jpeg is marked in some way. The OS was Android.
That is actually interesting info. But can such a functionality be coded into the image container itself or was it the website blocking the functionality?
Like, if hypothetically said jpeg was saved on a device somehow and then copy/pasted to another device, will it carry over said property if uploaded to another site, like say… imgur?
The thing that prevented me to printscreen the image was the browser. Seems like Tor browser uses the feature that was once intended for DRM for security reasons. I’m actually unable to printscreen even a starting page in it.
. Insofar on what you suggest, I would not object to them selling art assets or renders related to Grim Dawn as I love and still continue to use 
