GrimSheet: Endgame Build Table - ETE edition [v1.41]

I should say that second part is more important than the first :rofl:

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I have decent PC (Red Dead Redemption 2 worked fine on high-ultra details) but still I have random lags in Crucible, usually at first 1-3 runs, sometimes later. GD is the only game really that makes me troubles for unknown reason.

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What’s will o wisp?

Ishtar isn’t added because you your self questioned its performance on reddit before. Which is the reason Ritualist didn’t get a score for Dusk’s version either.

Open it once and copy world_001 level data between characters, should work.

We tried to avoid making assumptions.

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Will O Wisp - Pet Cabalist is WIll O Wisp :3

I measure a build’s success or failure by how much I can faceroll content :stuck_out_tongue:

While the RR nerf did hurt it, the damage was in the form of actually having to pay attention to the screen now :rofl:

It can still do SR 90 (with deaths and I don’t really like that :frowning: ), all celestials etc. Cruci is not worth even attempting on it though :frowning:

I meant the actual boss fights. My builds atleast will need to fish for favourable boss rooms at that level.

Any Pet build currently in existence that can take down Cally should handle both Mog and Ravager. Cally is an whole new level for pets and hence why numerous complaints during FG release. Though Cally did get toned down, it is still the toughest boss to tackle, Crate’s mechanics aside.

Would someone be so kind and give me a save folder with a character that has all below available / unlocked

  • very high SR (I assume you can choose higher SR than 80 with Death Waystone)

  • 150 CR

  • Avatar of Mogdrogen, Ravager, Crate of Entertainment, Callagadra

so that I can GDStash all my future characters on top of it.

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Sent you the crit base file. Mog already dead but I believe the rest checks out

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So do we get bonus points for not using camera abuse? Because even Sr 75 is much harder by not using it.

Tbh I really wish it was removed awhile ago. That’s my opinion, but this is not he place for this discussion.

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Nobody forces you to use it.

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I’m indifferent on it existing, but there is a large difference between turning the camera to pick off bosses one at a time vs dealing with a potential bum rush. For the purposes of this doc and SR85 low end cutoff I’m assuming most will be turning the camera. I’ve been trying to keep camera static through SR85-86, but by SR90 have definitely needed to turn it. Depends on the build ofc

People not using mutator scripts in crucible /smh

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having mutator free SR and crucible options in game, without rewards loot, would defenitely help testing builds.

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You might turn camera whatever side you want :rofl:

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Yeah for real. Cant you just choose not to rotate the camera?

Dont inadvertently get the devs to remove the option of camera rotation because you dont like the exploit in SR, because for those of us who actually love camera rotation for what it brings to the table outside of camera abuse this would be a huge bummer.

Camera rotation is one of the characteristics unique to Grim Dawn that sets it apart from its competitors, among other things. Whenever I play any other ARPGs, i find the lack of ability to rotate the camera super annoying. Were spoiled in GD, with so many great freedoms. It would be a sad day to lose camera rotation.

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We are also spoiled with cheatprograms like GD stash :smiley:

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It was never about removing camera rotation but fixing the wacky mechanics of mobs aggro when you rotate it

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Yeah, because I am the only one doing it. I don’t like gang bang in SR. If it gets removed I just stop paying it.

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Same here. I would just play crucible instead

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Most people likes camera exploit and Zantai said they will not change it due to it. In deep SR it gives more possibilites for squisher builds and open additional gameplay. For tanks or meeles just go at start into opposite side of the room, die there so bosses going to change positions and you can agro abuse them without camera. Sometimes it is needed few times, enjoy 30 minutes boss rooms.

I am against camera thing only in presenting builds in like 65-75sr (very deep shards are okay, it’s additional challenge for only few players) because it can bait less experienced players into inconsistent build on “normal basis”.

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looks like i’ve chosen color in Reqs and Criteria right. Cool.

as Stupid dragon has already said, we simply do not posses enough data. I can ask some builders about some builds, but like imagine me asking banana about the average timer on the build he played in June. If builders start to link average timers and it becomes a trend then we will change it. Right now simply not enough data.
For the same reason we decided not to create a metric for sr75-76 speedrun (not only because of that though).

After i completed SR75-76 with faction gear + budget MI’s DK, I view SR75-76 as MC with extra step (ultimate elitist move, apparently.)

pretty much what Dmt has said, look at RetalAbuser’s chaos AAR for instance.
you can freely change skills and augments/components though - that won’t be considered as s different build.

i thought of banning all DR items except for weapons and banning magic/rare sufficex with specific skill bonuses (e.g. nightblade’s for +2 to bs/ss). But then i just forgot about. Maybe we will add that requirment in the future.

Well, that’s not the thing I care about, but I can see why some people can be conserned about it. So let’s do like this - table provides huge chunk of raw data. You can simply not use our metric, and instead, use this info to create your own. At the end of the day - it’s all about picking measurment system.

broke gamedesigner: analysing 150+ builds to decrease their performance
woke gamedesigner: adding Callagadra on 170th wave.

i think i have explained everything regarded certain “dependancies” in Reqs and Crit paragraph.

the way i see it - there’s literally no difference between agro abuse (pulling bosses one by one w/o camera rotation) and camera abuse. So unless you’re fighitng all boss arena simultaneously, i consider sr75-76 to not be worth a point.

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Waiting for more builds from you then. and thanks, that actually mean something to me.

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