Grinding and Convenience

[k-Knight]

So grinding is one of the core mechanics of this game. Why? Well because it’s very unlikely to get the exact loot piece you want on the first drop, so one has to grind if one wants to obtain specific item.

Then I have a following question: Why grinding is so “inconvenient” in this game as you need to constantly exit to main menu, load back in, and search for bosses or other mobs (nemesis in particular) for good 10 to 15 minutes, then kill them and only then, maybe, get an epic or legendary drop.

Why we don’t get places that are guaranteed to have some very hard boss that will always drop epic or legendary loot.
Or even better, extremely hard locations where drop-rates are significantly higher. (“Roguelike” dungeons don’t have higher drop rates from m experience).

PS: I am in no way saying this game is bad. In fact, it’s the best aRPG I ever played. I just don’t like some ideas behind it.

[demonobento]

So maybe you need to do Crucible. That’s exactly what Crucible offers. Legendary loot guaranteed after completing certain waves.

And Roguelike dungeons do have higher drop rates. That big chest almost always drop legendary or blueprints, unless of course when it’s trying to drop blueprints you already own, then it will not show up in the game.

And if you implant an area where the drops rates are higher for all mobs, no one is going to play other parts of the campaign. And what about the MI? Are we also including all the monsters in that area? And after it’s implanted, it would be awfully like the Crucible, but just the loot will be dropping while you fight monsters, instead of after all the monsters are killed.

[k-Knight]

So maybe you need to do Crucible. That’s exactly what Crucible offers. Legendary loot guaranteed after completing certain waves.

And Roguelike dungeons do have higher drop rates. That big chest almost always drop legendary or blueprints, unless of course when it’s trying to drop blueprints you already own, then it will not show up in the game.

And if you implant an area where the drops rates are higher for all mobs, no one is going to play other parts of the campaign. And what about the MI? Are we also including all the monsters in that area? And after it’s implanted, it would be awfully like the Crucible, but just the loot will be dropping while you fight monsters, instead of after all the monsters are killed.

Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I heard that grinding on Crucible is slower than grinding nemesis. I think that beats it’s purpose. But I will definitely try it out. Thanks again.

[Ptirodaktill]

Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, I heard that grinding on Crucible is slower than grinding nemesis. I think that beats it’s purpose. But I will definitely try it out. Thanks again.

Grinding in crucible is the fastest way to aquire loot in GD. But you need stronk build to do so SSF.

[Superfluff]

I heard that grinding on Crucible is slower than grinding nemesis.

There is no way.

You can get 90% of legendaries in the game with a fast farmer in crucible after 3-5 full days of grind, just an example, not that it’s normal.

But it’s really worth it

[x1x1x1x2]

Unfortunately, I heard that grinding on Crucible is slower than grinding nemesis.

Aside from what the others said, Nemeses aren’t even the best way to farm on campaign. It’s roguelikes. Farm there till you have the gear to farm crucible.

[tsuelue]

So grinding is one of the core mechanics of this game. Why? Well because it’s very unlikely to get the exact loot piece you want on the first drop, so one has to grind if one wants to obtain specific item.

Ugh, grinding, that sounds horrible! Let´s call it farming. See, much nicer.
Also I wouldn´t agree with farming being a core mechanic of the game. I think what the devs had in mind is that people play through the story. But sure, if you want/need to have certain items, you will have to invest time to get them. Trading imo being the most convinient option here.

Then I have a following question: Why grinding is so “inconvenient” in this game as you need to constantly exit to main menu, load back in, and search for bosses or other mobs (nemesis in particular) for good 10 to 15 minutes, then kill them and only then, maybe, get an epic or legendary drop.
Sure, there are sets Monster Infrequents and that can actually be farmed, because they drop from specific mobs, if you farm those, you´ll have to start a new game often. If you just want to farm legendary items, you can easily stay in one game session for an hour or two. On Ultimate you can kill plenty bosses (talking about purple Monsters, not “End of Act” -bosses), and hero mobs on the way. Given a decent kill speed, you will get a lot of legendary items. Staying in one game session also signifantly reduces the chance to get the same item twice .

Why we don’t get places that are guaranteed to have some very hard boss that will always drop epic or legendary loot. Or even better, extremely hard locations where drop-rates are significantly higher.
Like, hm, Greater Rifts in Diablo 3? ^^ No thx. (“Roguelike” dungeons don’t have higher drop rates from m experience). True. Farming a specific route will get you more legendaries. And faster. Over time, of course you can run one RL and get 7 legendary drops.

PS: I am in no way saying this game is bad. In fact, it’s the best aRPG I ever played. I just don’t like some ideas behind it.

So maybe you need to do Crucible. That’s exactly what Crucible offers. Legendary loot guaranteed after completing certain waves.
Isn´t crucible pure grinding though? zzz ZZZ zzz

And Roguelike dungeons do have higher drop rates. Maybe. But good drops come from bosses and hero mobs. In my experience, I get a lot more good drops farming outside RL dungeons. That big chest almost always drop legendary or blueprints, unless of course when it’s trying to drop blueprints you already own, then it will not show up in the game. The guaranteed legendary drop is nice, but in the time I get there, I can usually farm more.

And if you implant an area where the drops rates are higher for all mobs, no one is going to play other parts of the campaign. And what about the MI? Are we also including all the monsters in that area? And after it’s implanted, it would be awfully like the Crucible, but just the loot will be dropping while you fight monsters, instead of after all the monsters are killed.
Couldn´t agree more.

You can get 90% of legendaries in the game with a fast farmer in crucible after 3-5 full days of grind, just an example, not that it’s normal.

But it’s really worth it

3-5 days playing, NAY GRINDING crucible?! Shoot me now! :eek:

[mamba]

Why we don’t get places that are guaranteed to have some very hard boss that will always drop epic or legendary loot.
Or even better, extremely hard locations where drop-rates are significantly higher. (“Roguelike” dungeons don’t have higher drop rates from m experience).

roguelike dungeons guarantee a unique drop in their ‘combat rooms’ (where barriers close the area off), each roguelike has one of them, drops from mobs are not higher, but the density of heroes / bosses is, so they still are a good place to farm

[Superfluff]

3-5 days playing, NAY GRINDING crucible?! Shoot me now! :eek:

when JoV returned he farmed lvl 94 anasteria helm for his sorc, went to cruci and got almost all new items in 3 days or so:)

Then moved on to MIs

@OP yes in campaign BoC runs are king. 2 legendary per run at least. Gotten 5 on lucky runs

[Norzan]

If anything, this game is a little too generous with legendary drops. I just grinding rep to unlock the Iron Maiden with my Blade Arc Witchblade and i got well over 15 legendaries. And most of the enemies were just regular mobs.

[tsuelue]

when JoV returned he farmed lvl 94 anasteria helm for his sorc, went to cruci and got almost all new items in 3 days or so:)

Yes yes, I never said crucible wasn´t good for farming, my point is: Some people don´t enjoy crucible grinding.
Personally I find it rather boring and rarely do it.

If anything, this game is a little too generous with legendary drops. I just grinding rep to unlock the Iron Maiden with my Blade Arc Witchblade and i got well over 15 legendaries. And most of the enemies were just regular mobs.

Nah.
Droprates have to be casual friendly. Some people don´t have much time to grind.

[Norzan]

Nah.
Droprates have to be casual friendly. Some people don´t have much time to grind.

Never said they weren’t supposed to be casual friendly. My point is that is pretty easy to get legendaries in this game with not much grind.

[marfig]

Droprates have to be casual friendly. Some people don´t have much time to grind.

I’m pretty sure the game already offers a spectacular drop rate for gearing up a casual players all the way to Ultimate. I just know this because, you know, I’ve done it with multiple alts.

Anything more than that, including top gear, perfect stats, full sets, and other niceties capable of moving your character to the top of this game… well that wouldn’t be casual play anymore, would it? That goes against any definition of casual play I know of.

[Superfluff]

Yes yes, I never said crucible wasn´t good for farming, my point is: Some people don´t enjoy crucible grinding.
Personally I find it rather boring and rarely do it.

I;m not crazy about it either. But I like GD and that is where you can get challenge if you have the items. (waits for new shattering mod)

But if all you want is farm then it’s worth taking the cruci pill for 1 week and make campaign life easier

[dekaron]

You get good amount of drops in the main game but you will never complete any set (some exceptions Krieg Dark One) in a reasonable amount of time, the next expansion has the fix coming