Guide: Recommended stats for end game

[Rhylthar]

but I’d have to give up not on 5% crit from Torch (I didn’t take the 3rd) but 5% oa. This is too much.

I took this: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2E4dM7N and you still get the OA.

As for Blue Sets:
I don´t mind blue items (my Trickster uses 2 of them). But strictly speaking, they are no Endgame-Sets.
That DB doesn´t give enough bang for the bucks…well, I said that when the change was made.

[BOG]

Seriously, I think enemy all resist reduction should not include phys res. And specific phys rr should be added in reasonable values to specific enemies. Then, phys res on top sets should be adjusted (accordingly) like 19% on Cyclone? Wtf. No wonder people don’t play anything else. Phys res at at least 30% is like capping res these days. You gotta have it or you’re inadequate.

So, am i inadequate with my AAR build? It has ~10% phys res and feels OK due to armour and flat absorb. And it doesnt uses sets you’ve mentioned. Phys res isnt as great as you claim. And i;m fine with that. If you make phys res better (remove phys res reduction, etc), there would be too large gap between builds, who get phys res for free, and all others.

You only got the DA from Consecration/Shadow Dance

Veil of shadow reduces enemy OA, which is the same as adding DA to yourself, no?

[ya1]

Veil of shadow reduces enemy OA, which is the same as adding DA to yourself, no?

Yes, almost. OA shred is not multiplied by +x% DA so flat DA is economically better. +10 DA translates to +11 DA when you got +10% DA from gear and devos. -10 OA shred is always -10 OA shred. (However, -x OA shred reduces the efficiency of enemy +x% OA bonuses but these are rare.)

Also, the PTH formula and the resulting values such as crit chance and crit multiplier or total dmg multiplier (this only kicks in when oa-da difference is huge) are dependent not only on the difference between DA and enemy OA but also on the level these values are at. Uhh… I mean… 3k DA with 2.5k enemy OA is not exactly the same as 2.5k DA with 2k enemy OA. Close enough though. The exact formula is in the official Game Guide.

am i inadequate with my AAR build? It has ~10% phys res and feels OK due to armour and flat absorb. And it doesnt uses sets you’ve mentioned.

But it has… let me count… 6 rare affixes. I know you put some magic affixes there too but Thunderstruck Alex pants of Kings is like 2-3 drops in 100,000. Such items don’t really exist in a legit game. So such builds (in my very humble opinion) should not be a part of a balance discussion.

Besides, All resistance overcaps are 60+% so you almost never go below 80%, armor is 3+k, you got 440 flat absorb most of the time on top of 21% absorb and 18% dmg redux. This hardly disproves my claim that phys res got too essential to be attainable TO AVERAGE BUILDS.

[BOG]

But it has… let me count… 6 rare affixes. I know you put some magic affixes there too but Thunderstruck Alex pants of Kings is like 2-3 drops in 100,000. Such items don’t really exist in a legit game. So such builds (in my very humble opinion) should not be a part of a balance discussion.

What’s wrong with an item with 1 rare affix? Those arent hard to get at all. Rather, they’re standard items in endgame - you dont even pick up yellows there.
About pants - that was just my luck. I indeed got that double-rare in legit way (despite your claim). And no, this build doesnt requires that double-rare combination. 1 rare affix with stun res is enough. I might lose ~4% DPS, but that’s not critical, considering i dont even have Glyph of the Storm witch, that boosts DPS far better. On other hand, my boots and weapon has absolutely useless prefixes, and my offhand has ~30 itemlevel. Not counting sub-optimal mods on many items. And still i have 50+ all res overcaps and 3.3k armour (GT doesnt count crafted armour bonuses and above-average %armour rolls) And i made those videos even without one great unique ring for that build (which means DPS loss).

Besides, All resistance overcaps are 60+% so you almost never go below 80%, armor is 3+k, you got 440 flat absorb most of the time on top of 21% absorb and 18% dmg redux. This hardly disproves my claim that phys res got too essential to be attainable TO AVERAGE BUILDS.

And 25% damage absorb on top of that 50% of the time…
But why do you think, that average build would feel tanky only with 20-30% extra physical res? He might be tanky VS some enemies like Reaper or Kupacabra, but others would still crush him. Physical res wont help much VS physical shotguns, for example

[sir_spanksalot]

Casters don’t need more OA than weapon builds. Look at mad_lee’s latest vindicator for example. I think it should be more of a class to class basis. Inquisitors will have a hard time getting 3k without cunning dumps. Many arcanists on the other hand will have lots of effortless OA so it’s helpful to increase it more. Something like amplifying strengths instead of covering weaknesses principle.

To add to this, this is where things like reliable DA shred comes in very handy. I.e. SBoE

[sir_spanksalot]

Which shows exactly what you play. 2.6k armor and about 30% is on a dmg focused build is STRICTLY TOP TIER, man. Most builds do not even have 2k armor and struggle to get 15% phys res. Most builds in the game.

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…Maybe not?
EDIT: TBF, it’s a kiting caster

It’s a VERY tanky set compared to the average.

Don’t forget adcth

@BOG - IMO, the real reason why your AAR caster is so tanky stems from a multitude of factors:

1. Insanely high overcaps which would take an average player ages to find (I’m guessing you’ve invested hundreds of hours into this spec?) <— Not that there’s anything wrong with this, just an objective observation on my end

2. Light’s defender + damage reduction + %absorb

3. Adcth from AAR.

1 & 2 work together to minimze the amount of damage taken, and 3 let’s you leech back up your health

@Nery: I want to demonstrate what I mean by positioning + knowing your enemy, and using it to outplay situations which would normally get you killed (this is my favorite thing about naked crucible)

1. I get pounced by an unnoticed father kymon.
2. I know this is followed up by his deadly shotgun, so I MoT immediately to stand my ground
3. I know his pounce CD is on a 7s CD, which is about the same length as MoT, so I blink out immediately when MoT ends
4. I chose to blink onto the ledge because I know he’s immobile for 1s after landing, which will result in kuba bum-rushing me, allowing me to use the dumb ape to body block kymon.
5. I know the only way kymon is going to attack me is if lands his pounce, so I’m counting down the seconds in my head. After 6 seconds, I blink away again - right as he’s about to pounce. You don’t quite see it, because he died from biting blades.

[BOG]

(I’m guessing you’ve invested hundreds of hours into this spec?) <— Not that there’s anything wrong with this, just an objective observation on my end

Hundreds of hours? ATM, i’ve spent 113 hours on it, starting from scratch (deleting save folder), and i’ve had gear shown in the link at the time of 90 hours. You’re seriously underestimating drop rates, if you spend hundreds of hours to get THAT, you must be incredibly unlucky. It’s intended to be beginner-friendly build, after all.

[sir_spanksalot]

I stand corrected. Drop rates must’ve improved significantly since I last played legit self found. I’m guessing the introduction of SR must have sped up that process tremendously as well.

EDIT: @BOG - Out of curiosity, did you find all the pieces of light’s defender within those 90 hours? Or did you already have them waiting for you on some other character?

[Nery]

Guide updated!

• Corrected some controversial stuff
• Fixed some typos
• Added armor absorption to armor section
• Added new sections: Damage, Damage mitigation, Resistances reduction and Pets.

[BOG]

Out of curiosity, did you find all the pieces of light’s defender within those 90 hours? Or did you already have them waiting for you on some other character?

You say it as if it’s hard…
Obvoiusly, i’ve done it myself from scratch. I played that char legit only - starting from clear save folder, no cheats, no “save-load” before crafting, etc.
You can reforge set pieces into other pieces of the same set, you know? First i found shoulder or gloves - dont remember - and reforged that piece into chest. Later i’ve found helm recipe and crafted several helms (they’re relatively cheap to craft), picked one with the most armour (+14%), converted others into chests, rerolled several times and picked the one with best rolls. All that prior 90 hours, yes. I was able to farm SR65-70 even before i got that helm, after all. And Crucible 150 Gladiator.
Indeed, drop rates were buffed in FG, especially for green items.

[BOG]

Damage:

• %Damage- One of the most important stats in the game offensively. Every build needs it.

Not every. Retalliation builds dont need it - they use retalliation damage instead of “normal” one. Pure Pet builds stack damage for pets, not themselves.

[sir_spanksalot]

%Damage- One of the most important stats in the game offensively. Every build needs it. For builds with high weapon damage skills you need to find balance between flat and % but on builds with low or non(casters) you need that damage. For some builds you can reach preposterous numbers like over 3k%. For absolute minimum for end game build, I will write 2k. Although builds that can increase their damage through cunning or spirit can compensate.

I think the clearest way to explain the relationship between %damage and flat is with math because I’m asian.

In fact, fuck it. Let’s do out the entire damage formula while we are at it. Feel free to omit any variables if they aren’t relevant.

Some acronyms…

• APS = attacks per second. This is affected by speed, and different skills have different hitrates (i.e. EoR vs Cadence)
• TDM = total damage modified (e.g. FW’s transmutor)
• FDC = Flat damage on the character (e.g. flat damage from augments)
• FDS = Flat damage on the skill (e.g. AAR)

So…for any attack:
[ (FDC * %WD) + (FDS) ] * %damage * TDM = Sheet 2 damage value

Sheet 2 damage value * APS = Sheet 1 damage value

Note: Sheet 1 damage value is actually higher than the actual DPS of the character, because any DoT damage is multiplied by your APS value.

e.g. If AAR does 50 flat damage + 50 DoT, and has an APS of 6, then the sheet 1 damage will show a DPS value of 600, when in reality, it should be 350.

As you can see from the above, flat damage and %damage have a direct relationship to one another. So IMO, both are equally important.

It depends on which one you need more.

If I have 3500% chaos damage, and 100 flat chaos, stacking flat damage here makes vastly more sense, and vice versa.

Other things you can include into the mix if you want a more accurate value:

1. RR: Suffice to say that once you get an enemy’s target into the negative range, RR behaves in the same exact manner as TDM.
2. OA - i.e. PTH and PTC values.

EDIT: All things being equal, %damage is more important than flat, because that shit benefits procs and FDS

[Nery]

@sir_spanksalot it’s good to be thorough but I just don’t feel my guide is the correct place for explaining the complete game mechanics. Malawiglenn have guide for that.

Plus I don’t understand math and I am not Asian

[sir_spanksalot]

The TL;DR version:

flat damage and %damage have a direct relationship with one another. So IMO, both are equally important.

It all depends on which you need more.

If I have 3500% chaos damage, and 100 flat chaos, stacking flat damage here makes vastly more sense, and vice versa.

All things being equal, %damage is more important than flat, because that shit benefits procs and FDS

[Nery]

OK, I will add your lite version. Of course have to search for synonym of “shit”

Edit: Added!

[sir_spanksalot]

Of course have to search for synonym of “shit”

You could just drop that word entirely.

[Nery]

Of course have to search for synonym of “shit”

You could just drop that word entirely.

“It” is good enough. Don’t want to use shit in a guide. Shit is reserved for personal messages, bad builds and the slit boss Slut bra in SR.

[sir_spanksalot]

Damn. I say shit in front SOME of my patients.

Like obviously I’m not going to cuss in front of a nun, or a kid.

[Nery]

Damn. I say shit in front of my patients.

Maybe it’s accepted then? I haven’t been to English speaking country, so don’t know.

I promise my next guide to be more “shitty”.

[sir_spanksalot]

I think it is where I am. I’ve had men say, “alright, time to let the lads out” before they whip out their dicks at me so I can examine said genitalia for rashes and other bumps.

They seem pretty okay when I say, “shit!” in surprise