How are you suppose to use guns?

[Boromonokli]

I think some DW ranged builds outdps DW melee.

For example - very few weapons can compete with dagallon’s

EDIT: As for balancing, I think retal builds should be nerfed in terms of OA, not armor. Makes sense for them to be tanky to actually dish out retaliation damage WHEN HIT. Doesn’t make sense for them to be able to dish out the pain like a classic DPS spec.

Maybe imposing a -5% OA or something on retal sets/devotions might work.

well, ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Forthcoming Forgotten Gods expac - what we know so far Part II

GM #151 showed us some more new monsters we’ll be fighting.
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79381

GM #152 had yet more new items for us to find.
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79650

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boromonokli : But, isn’t adding retaliation damage to active skills just going to make retaliation the same as other playstyles?
Not quite. The big focus of retaliation damage is still on taking hits and surviving those hits. What I’d like to do though is make retaliation playstyles a little more active and not just feel like you stand there and wait for things to die on you. You should feel you can actually contribute to that a little bit. Not to mention that unless you have a mod retaliation damage isn’t working with ranged attacks which means you need something else to kill those ranged mobs. For example the Council in Port Valbury fight is almost impossible for retaliation builds. With these changes you can actually do some damage to those guys without taking a direct hit.