How to build around Valdun set?

Hi,

I am quite curious about this set. I can see 3 possible combinations but can’t make up my mind. Obvious choices would be Purifier or Tactician, and also Commando but it would be weaker. But between the first 2, I can’t decide.

Purifier would have the Firestrike line, and with a good chunk of elemental to pierce conversion, it would mean some good flat damages (plus Flame Touched/Temper) and Brimstone madness. A classic.

Tactician can get Cadence which means 100% chance of piercing through targets (extended to the WPS right?) and Deadly Momentum, which is good on its own. So I am not sure which one has more damage.

Defense-wise, I guess Tactician is slightly above Purifier.

I guess Valdun would be about abusing WPS and the granted skill, which mean some good piercing AoE. And maybe combining it with Jaxxon’s Lucky Bullet for more AoE. Or Bladetwister Signet for more damage, considering you have enough AoE. I don’t know yet.

What do you think? There is not so much Valdun build in the compendium, but I am sure the veterans around the forum have already made it. Would you mind sharing your knowledge?

Pierce FS would never work well with this build. cAdence + deadly momentum bonuses have far greater bursts and has 100% pass through. It;s not about WPS. IT’s about cadence and then whatever WPS you choose. But jaxxon ring is enough imo and maybe Storm spread shotgun in between CAdence procs

It’s:

Tacatician
Blademaster
Commando.

Commando gets the short straw due to bad RR

Vindicator can do it too.

That’s a surprise. I can imagine that it lags behind Cadence, but I would have though it can work too.

That’s exactly what I mean. If it can work with a vindicator, it should work with Demo too. Or is it because Savagery is just vastly superior to FS?

I see. I totally agree with you on Cadence power. And the 100% pierce through on Cadence is just too good to pass.

That confuses me. I know the interaction between cadence and WPS have been largely debated on the forum, but to me the consensus was that it just works great together (based on a Blademaster DW discussion). But you make it sounds like cadence would not proc the WPS. Is it what you mean?

I’ve made Valdun’s Blademaster in GDstash a while ago and despite looking solid on paperit turned out to be pretty underwhelming when I tested it. Ranged Cadence SUCKS. Probably need Tactician for Valdun to work properly.

You Will not get a free charge from cadence if you are using single weapon or two-handed weapon though. I have tested it myself with valdun tactician.

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Valdun Commando with Dual Jaxxon’s Lucky Bullet rings looked good on paper, but when I made it the character sucked. So bad!

Omg you made it BM and not Tactician with Inquis, what happened?!!:stuck_out_tongue:

Drop the gun, use Runbolter infiltrator :wink:

I was under the impression that so much pierce gotta be godly and set and build so good on paper.

Sound idea. 3piece valdun + runebinder crossbow + bladetwister ring + nidalla belt

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This is what I don’t like about these pierce ranged builds. If you want pure pierce you’ll need to dedicate 2 or more item slots for bad items. The first bladetwister is okay but the second is meh. Nidalla belt is also pretty bad, but you’ll need them for conversion.

I’m just gonna wait for Oathbreaker. Pretty sure it’ll be nerfed before release but it still sounds fun.

Nidalla belt stats is indeed terrible. But maybe the dev make it like that because it has 2 big conversion.

Even for valdun, you may still want to use 3 piece valdun + rimetongue amulet + nidalla belt for 100% Pierce.

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I really don’t get why anyone thinks that breaking the set makes it better:eek:

So I have been playing around a bit with Grimtool. How about something like this?

It’s probably possible to tweak it a bit more (quite sure that gloves and pants for exemple are not BiS), but on paper looks good: lots of OA, DA, Health and damage. Btw, Resists are not capped because I was too lazy to put all the augments (and also I forgot after finalizing the devotions) but it should not be a problem to cap them all (there are still 6 slots available).

You gonna have to use Inquisitor Seal. No way around it. And Mythical Pack of treacherous means. And gloves are wrong. And boots too.

Here is a link with better gloves/boots/belt. Did not touch skills or devotions (they are wrong too).

Don;t use Seal, it’s pansies:p

Seriously know, you won’t need it, just arcane empowerment.

Cadence maxed cause that is where the damage is, points take from FS, Hp is still fine. WPS in GT are better for you

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V0y6e9Z