Well, to keep it short: if Crate was willing to create a third expansion in the size of Malmouth, how much time and money would the company have to invest for it? Just asking theoretically.
Guess the answer is enough since Medierra seems happy with the profits the game has made so far. Itâs pretty moot anyway since theyâve made it clear there wonât be any more expansions for the game.
Looking to invest in Crate Ent. eh? Better contact them directly, then =)
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yes⌠no⌠maybeâŚ
I was thinking about starting a crowdfunding connected with ideas-collection, but Iâd need to know the âgoalâ.
There is no obligation for a third expansion, BUT, when the ideas are GOOD/inspiring⌠I am pretty sure, Crate could change their opinion.
Letâs theory-craft, shall we?
Well, their goal is to focus on the other games theyâre making atm and have a break from GD and ARPGâs. Farthest Frontier, their town builder, is due to go into early access on Steam some time this year, Zantaiâs working on a GD related standalone game, thereâs a horror survival game and a fantasy RTS one plus porting GD over to Xbox. For a studio of less than 20 people theyâre pretty busy.
And Iâm pretty sure if they wanted to do crowdfunding for a game theyâd do it themselves.
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you donât get the point, so I emphasize the relevant word: INSPIRATION.
I am pretty sure, they are somewhat âfed upâ with putting too much effort in the standing game and I understand that. BUT, and this comes from not only personal experience, IF the ideas are inspiring they maybe CHANGE their opinion.
How about we give it a try?
I highly doubt anything will change their opinion on the matter, if they wanted to do a 3rd expansion for an easy cash grab it would either be announced or released already, but thankfully they actually care about their game and sanity. Besides the fact many of them have worked on ARPGs for more than a decade, theyâve also acknowledged that the game is already bursting with content, closing in on bloat levels. Like Zantai has joked on stream before that a 3rd expansion (and consequently a new mastery) means theyâd have to look into items that support 5 or 6 different masteries or something ridiculous.
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I wouldnât be surprised if Crate is burned out from working in ARPGs given the fact that they have been working on Grim Dawn for literal 10 years (8 in case of Zantai).
And most likely any inspiring idea would instead be saved for the sequel instead for an expansion for the first game.
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Honestly, thatâs not how it works. The old saying that any creative endeavor is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration is eminently true.
And someone is only willing to put that much sweat equity into something IF and ONLY IF they actually have the energy to do it, otherwise itâs wasted inspiration.
When you realize you need a rest, take the rest.
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Inspiration is the TriggerâŚ
Not in my experience. If you wait for inspiration to strike youâll never do anything, which is why itâs important to rest so you can get to work and when inspiration DOES happen, your rested enough to run with it.
Are you Bla-ing at me now? OUR Ideas are to be collected, to then inspire THEM. This is just a possibility but worth a try.
And my initial question wqas: how much is the developement of a potential third costing in MONEY and perhaps also TIME, IF they decided to do it.
It will primarily âcostâ them however much medierra pays his employees - which we donât know. We can make some guessesâŚ
âŚbut this amount varies widely depending on the role, or roles, each individual serves and their experience. You must also factor in how many employees he would assign to work on it âfull-timeâ, but I imagine there would be some overlap - the artists for instance would likely be working on multiple projects simultaneously.
The amount of time it will take them to complete an expansion, based upon how much time it took them to complete AoM and FG, respectively, is roughly about 1 and a half years for a âfullâ expansion that features content, gear, masteries and new features.
Anyway, all indications are that Crate are not currently interested in making a 3rd expansion and they have made this clear for quite some time now and I highly doubt there is little you could ever do to affect that. They certainly do not need any money you might attempt to âraiseâ to persuade them with - as a company, Crate is rich off the success of GD and can easily fund any further projects they wish without needing to Kickstart or take any community-driven efforts to fund them.
As for inspiration - here again I very much doubt you are going to sway them as they made their minds up some time ago that it was time to put effort into other endeavors and all developers are currently invested in working on new games - there appears to be several projects they are working on currently and you need to keep in mind that this is a small dev studio with around 13 or so devs total (tho they are hiring for a few positions). What this means is that they must manage what they are working on tightly and as noted above they are very much busy with other things now.
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Itâs up to modding community to make a âthird expansionâ at this point.
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Well, if you want to change the parameters of your initial post and move the goal post, then, how about thisâŚ
Theyâve said they wonât do a third expansion.
They have said that down the line they might entertain GD2.
If you want to âtheorizeâ and âspeculateâ and âinpsireâ than why not do it for something to do with GD2?
But then moving the goal post is much, much easier, right?
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goal post!? Hä!?
the only thing thats missing here now is the necessary time⌠can someone give a clue in manhours?
Not seeing any moving of goal posts here.
In addition to what powbam posted itâs not as if Crate donât have ideas of where they might go in any future GD2.
12th July 2019 stream:
"Any plans for the NPC found in the Fleshworks to make another appearance?
Zantai: So his story is not going to finish with Forgotten Gods, his story is for things beyond. Which is more of a sequel."
19th April 2019 dev Stream:
"gachibass_chechnya_kavkaz : Could you share with us whatâs gonna be in the next expansion/GD 2 in terms of storyline/lore, at least a bit?
Zantai: Iâm not sure I should really talk about that because Iâm not sure when or if itâs going to happen. I mean I can give you some ideas of threads we might pursue. For example there is the whole thing with the Emperor, the capital, with the Sun (son?), Ulgrim seems to be a special guy too. The Witch Gods seem to have gotten their way - what does that mean for the future of Cairn? What will happen to the future of Kymonâs Chosen? That Sigil?"
I just donât get what you mean, manâŚ
Anyway, appreciate your links, I will browse through themâŚ
Do the math, use your brain. I gave you the rough time frame that it took them to make the prior expansions. Approximately a year and a half. You can make some basic assumptions to get you in the ball park based off general work hours/conditions in the US. You would start with 8 hours a day, 5 days a week if we ignore the possibility of overtime. Calculate that for 1 year and 6 months and you would have a rough idea. Beyond that you would have to apply that to each person working on it, which as I noted above, we simply wouldnât know for sure unless Crate told us, but we can guess that the number is variable over this time frame as people like artists would likely be working on multiple projects.