Lack of Storage Space Disheartening

Grim Dawn General Discussion
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I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, this game needs more storage space.
It is demoralizing to get items, only to know that they will be sold simply because there is no space to keep them. I don’t have the time to compare every item I have to see which might be better in a future build, nor do I have the inclination to do something that quite frankly, belongs back in the 1990’s.

Creating multiple mules is a terrible stopgap, it was terrible in Torch Light/Torch Light 2 and it is just as bad in this game, because you can’t even access the bank till you’ve killed the reanimator, which can take a bit of time. Heck, at least in D3 I can spend a minute and instantly have a bank mule (but there are limited char slots)

It puzzles me that the devs overlooked this issue. Had they simply glanced at the D3 forums, they would see that one of the big issues since inception has been storage space. It has gotten so bad that players are doing game modes they absolutely hate (Seasons) just to get another bank tab.

With 11 possible classes not including pure classes, there is no good way to level up chars and somehow find room for items that might be useful.

What are people supposed to do? Beat Veteran with every single class and then destroy all the lower level gear and then do that again? Even that has limitations as with only three chars that have hit 40+ on veteran my bank is overflowing with blue items and a few greenies.

Which brings up another odd, if related observation. Why are there even sets at lower levels? The only way to possibly complete them is to run through the content multiple times, but then you defeat the purpose because you don’t have space to keep the items.

I’m not saying I don’t like sets at lower levels, because I do. What I’m saying is that there’s an odd juxtaposition between the way things aught to work (you complete sets easily on one char and use them and have room to store them) and the way things really work (You need multiple runs to get all the set pieces and have no room to keep them) I’m however, much more annoyed that I can’t store all the items rather than the fact that I can’t get them all on one char.

I guess you could farm for the items, but at lower levels it seems sort of out of place.

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There is 3 programs here on the forum that have been designed for unlimited storage.
Devs have said they are not going to implement anymore storage themselves

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I hate cheating. But I am using a storage tool. Beeing able to keep what I found seems legit enough for me.

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I wholeheartedly agree. This came up on the subreddit the other day which led to a link with some thoughts from the developers on the issue from a year and a half ago.
It basically boiled down to them simply making a decision in favor of people overwhelmed by too much stashspace to the the detriment of people overwhelmed by too little stashspace. I would link it of I could, it’s in the Grim Misadventures #56 post #96 and on.
And I’d greatly prefer not using mods or 3rd party apps if I can help it.

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reddin, that is exactly my stance. I don’t want to have to use 3rd party tools for something that is a QoL issue and an integral part of the game. I also don’t like using 3rd party software on my machine. It’s one thing to mod a few skills, a weapon or somesuch. It is entirely another thing to have to resort to mods to fix something that the devs should have seen coming a mile away. It would be like having to fix the skills trees because they were so broken.

Perhaps there should be an option for “unlimited stash space”, and one for “classic amount of stash space”

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I agree that they should have implemented this as part of the game rather than having us jump through hoops trying to get a 3rd party program working.

I just found out about these programs today after I had literally decided to stop playing because I was bored spending too much time moving stuff around between mules and such. Hopefully this Assistant will revive the fun of the game for me.

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it’s ironic that this is precisely the reason why there is not more stash space (too much time to sort through items) :wink:

Mules were always the worst option though, you could just copy transfer files.

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Sorting through items isn’t that difficult though. The problem is when you have to get rid of something and you have to go through everything to decide what to chuck:

What class am I least likely to play?
Which item will probably get nerfed next?
Which item is the smallest upgrade?

It goes on and on when it comes to trying to decide what items to keep.

Keep in mind that there are 11 classes, more or less. Some use the same gear, but there might be variations of builds.

I’d always rather have too much space than have to go mucking though my inventory to figure out what item will be next on the chopping block.

I don’t play videogames for any sort of “realism” I don’t want restrictions that are placed on me in the real world placed on me in a game.

Let me add one last thing, I have never, in all my time perusing gaming forums, ever come across the following phrase: “Well, the fact that I had unlimited stash space ruined the game for me.”

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I have never come across the phrase, “Not enough storage space completely ruined the game for me!”, where I didn’t think, OK, drama queen, time to lay off the teenie bopper vamp dramas a wee bit.

Have a shot of whiskey and git some hair back on yer chest.

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Not including “pure builds” (single mastery only) there is 15 class combinations and many varying builds within these combinations. (Vitality Conjurer, Pet Conjurer, etc.)

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What you say is completely false. People complained for years in D3 to get storage space, willing to go to extreme lengths (Playing a game mode they don’t like in seasons) just to get another stash tab. I’d say that the lack of storage space was ruining the game for them if they were going to do content they hated for more of it.

In WoW, people constantly ask, over and over, why the original backpack is still only 16 slots.

To go back even further, one of the best selling EverQuest expacs had very little content, but it doubled bank space.

Stash space has always been an issue that has made players unhappy with the lack of it.

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How is it false in any way? I was simply relating my own impression/opinion per my post. What I related in no way equals either true nor false.

As for the conspiracy against you folks by game devs over stash space, well I suppose you guys best get to the bottom of it and figure out why they dislike you so much that they keep doing it to you, over and over, in game after game. I think its more that they love to see you folks pay out the wazoo for it.

The beautiful thing with offline modding is that you can get it for free thanks to your local gaming community.

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[QUOTE=Lane;36582[RIGHT]9]
Let me add one last thing, I have never, in all my time perusing gaming forums, ever come across the following phrase: “Well, the fact that I had unlimited stash space ruined the game for me.”[/QUOTE]

The fact that you had to disclaim “Where I didn’t think” shows that your refute to Lane is just a matter of your own personal opinion.

I have seen many people quit many different games over a lack of storage space. Just because YOU think they’re
“teenie bopper vamp dramas” doesn’t change the fact that they’ve done it.

(seriously? “teenie bopper vamp dramas?” Being melodromatic, much?)

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Perhaps read my last comment above where I do in fact reaffirm willingly that it is my opinion.

/slow claps

Bravo. Cookie?

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I don’t even want or need ‘infinite’ space, but what we get just feels very inadequate with all the unique gear and item sets.
Having so few tabs also actually makes it harder to organize things because I can break up things in three whole categories, making it a mess, whereas if I had a dozen tabs or so I could break things up by slot, or by class or level etc.

Also, here is the link I was talking about earlier where the devs talk a bit about stash space: http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?p=193656#post193656

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that was part of sorting :wink: No matter how much stash space you have, eventually you run out.

Once you do, it becomes exponentially more time consuming to figure out which item to remove in order to have space for the new one the larger the stash is.

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You have more then enough space to keep items that matter. If you refuse to use 3rd party items to grant you the space you feel is adequate then quit playing the game. No one forces you to play it. Crate gave you the amount of space they felt you needed, knowing that they were making the game moddable.

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This is exactly the last sort of mindset this playerbase needs. Just because the game is moddable, just because the devs have said such and such, doesn’t mean that the game could use more polish to become a truly great game that lets players play how they want to play.

I shouldn’t have to use a mod for something that should be standard by now. It goes against games evolving over the years.

To put it another way, Mods should not take the place of a polished game. Just because the mods can make the game better, doesn’t meant that the devs shouldn’t include features that they know, without a doubt, will be modded. Basically, the devs shouldn’t use the modding community as a crutch to include things that will appeal to a huge part of the playerbase.

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I def have to agree here, my one issue with the game is the storage space. I also do not wish to install 3rd party software on my PC to aquire more space as I feel that is a silly solution although I will give the devs some credit for allowing that to be an option. This is a game about finding loot so making a core design feature around limited space and using 3rd party software and mules to collect it just doesn’t make sense to me. If I could access my mules without logging into another character that would be cool, but again then why not just allow us more space.

Not to be a chest thumper, but I have invested in a lot of top end hardware and don’t use my gaming PC for anything other than gaming. My PC goes online for steam, humble bundle to copy and paste keys into steam and that’s pretty much it. I don’t really want anything else slowing down my PC because one of the millions of scammers out there wants to disguise some BS spy or malware onto some website or program. Hell even legit sites want users to install a bunch of crap that comes with bloat ware. I use my iPad for the Internet and everything works out quite nicely. Path of Exile is a free to play game??? Well not for me, I’ve purchased 6 stash tab bundles so I have a total of 40 stash pages in that game. Yeah that’s probably more than I need, but I play ARPG loot based games because I like gathering loot. I also play hardcore so i lose items and it’s nice to have backup sets ready to go for new rolls and alts. All 40 of those pages I have in PoE are filled too from 2.5 years of collecting stuff.

The lack of stash space is by no means game breaking and Crate has provided options so it’s not a complete wash. I just wish they would provide one more option for people who like collecting loot and do not wish to install unofficial software on their PCs or creating mules for the workaround. Even 2-3 more tabs would make a world of difference for me at least. Thank you Crate for the awesome game in all other areas.

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That’s your opinion and it’s subjective. What or whom makes you qualified to say how much space is enough, what items should matter and that I should quit the game because I don’t want to install unofficial software on my PC? 2-3 more stash tabs would harm you in what way? Giving the Devs feedback on a game mechanic isn’t allowed? Wow, I wasn’t aware that Crate might not want to hear constructive feedback about their game. This is easily something they can address with the expansion if enough people asked for it.