Hello,
I am planning to go for a 1H+Shield Warlord in FG and while planning I stumbled upon the statement that at least one Soldier WPS (i think it was MA because it has a longer animation?) is a net single target DPS loss.
Was that true and is that still the case?
It’s Zolhan on 2h that’s widely regarded as a dps loss, tho I think the animation has been buffed. Also the dps loss thingy is usually connected to cadence (long animation = slower cadence charging). I imagine you would be using the new autoattack with Warlord where Zolhan animation isn’t much of a deal.
The only way to know for sure is to see for yourself. Do a dummy test. Measure the time it takes you to reset a dummy’s health with and without MA and/or Zoltan.
Keep in mind that MA’s power is in its da shred and Zoltan hits 3 targets. So their power might be somewhat better than what a dummy test might suggest.
Oh, and don’t forget to post the results here!
Yes, MA is DPS loss for all melee builds. IRC, ranged gain a minor bonus from MA, not worth more that one pointer.
DA-Reduction already comes from Blitz(Blindside) so that would be no improvement.
Interesting that you have different opinions already.
What would I give for a decent dps meter to test stuff like this 
did a small scale dummy test.
Character used: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YNnldOwV
only Cadence and Blitz (on cd) were used.
0 MA 0 ZT: 135,5 seconds
12 MA 0 ZT: 139 seconds
12 MA 12 ZT: 140 seconds
0 MA 12 ZT: 147 seconds
my conclusion:
-if you have another source of DA Reduction MA is detrimental.
-ZT might still be worth the DPS loss because it deals AoE Dmg and it has a slower attack debuff.
Can you crit anything with that dude, even after Blindside? 
jokes aside, nice testing
Interesting results. Thanks…
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MA + ZT absolutely demolishes your AS flow. And the more AS you have, the more visible it is. At 200% AS it gets ridiculous.
Choose one only for any shield build or neither
Both of them hit only with one hand when dw. These WPS look so outdated compared to Necro wps :eek:
Are you saying MA and ZT are not affected by attack speed?
They have their own animation frames. You proc them more often with high AS but when they proc they slow things down.
@ptiro MA hits with both weapons DW:p Belgo wants a word with you
you did not answer the question 
Have you tried Grim Internals?
He did. The animation is still affected by attack speed but they’re still slower compared to a normal attack since the WPS animation consists of more frames than normal attacks.
@ya_: yes, but its only one second and that’s not enough.
@superfluff and x1: thanks for the clarification. If it’s affected by attack speed I do not understand why it’s more noticeable at high attack speed. But does not matter in the end. You can definitely also feel it at low attack speeds.