if you struggle in elite trust me getting 5 more points earlier are not going to make or break a character the ability to farm. If people are interested enough in the game they will farm elite before progressing (or crucible).
I actually like it the way it is. It gives you an incentive to start Ultimate before you are ready 
I’ve had some great fights from being greedy and trying to get those last 5 devotions points early. If you could get all devotions in Elite then you could essentially have a complete end-game build, minus a few skill points probably, before even starting Ultimate.
Personally, I really hope they don’t change it with the expansion, and that we still have to play in Ultimate to get the last few points (ignoring Crucible). 
I only use what I find, +% XP is probably on the medal and that is it, I certainly do not intentionally use items with XP boost to level faster, but I may wear an Explorer item for a bit when it makes sense stat wise.
Maybe I die less, that always costs some XP, which might add up over time, or it simply really is from clearing everything once (or however far I get in the rogue dungeons… ususally far enough for the quest, but not always to the end boss or maybe I die to him)
I think that perhaps he is also playing only Normal and not Vet, where it is more likely to be under 50 at the end. Of course there isn’t even much actual farming involved no matter what he thinks. You will most likely have “something” that needs to be completed ie. Mogrodgens Shrine, Anasteria’s quests, etc… that will easily put you at 50.
I have never seen a need to farm Norm/Vet except in the most minimal of circumstances. Period.
Vanilla or grimmest, I seem to always be stuck at end of vet at 45 and wanting for a potion or something to jump me to 50 to start elite…
I believe it’s the clearing everything.
I’ve had the same issue with a character that had 2 deaths at the end of the game (lvl 85, ultimate). I recall starting ultimate a few level before reaching 75.
I stopped revealing all the map during the Early Access.I go straight to the various objectives, with a bit optimised route in order to lose less time as possible. But then I lose it because I need to farm at the end of the difficulty.
I kill what’s around me on the way but I don’t go out my way to kill monsters that did nothing to me as, for me, it’s the same as farming (killing monsters for the sake of killing them instead of killing them to make a path).
That won’t explain why I would be so far away from level 75 at the end of Elite.
If you want, I can send you a save file : hc, lvl 69, all quests done in normal and elite with the exception of the roguelite dungeons, using some xp boost items and a bit of farming already done.
Well, that’s not actually all quests done then, is it…? 
I bet clearing each Rogue-like and completing the quests will give you a level each…there are your 6 levels to take you to 75.
Nah, those that are just starting will miss at least 5-6 shrines before even touching the ultimate…It wont fix builds for them, it will just give them a few more shrines to find. That’s when they start looking for guides and locations of shrines if they are interested in “staying”. At least, that’s my opinion.
For me though, I would like to know where I am sitting at before I go to Ultimate. Like I said already, some builds will require you to remove some points to get other ones to be able to take your final constellations (respec devotion when you have enough points and can wear certain gear that you can at lvl 75, right? ). It’s almost a QoL change to have that sorted. It’s not like having the whole Chariot o.D or Spear will make or break anything major, but it will give you a chance to see if it will work in the end, without tempting you to cheat or w/e.
I get it that a lot of, if not most, people here start their builds having at least half of gear needed for lvl 75 mark, for lvl 50 mark and so on. Most of us know exactly what constellations we are going to go for etc. and it’s easy to know what the end result will look like. But what if you are trying something really new?
Anyway, It doesn’t really matter. I see that this thread was a mistake to make. With all due respect to everyone, but this reminds me of PoE forums. God Forbid someone wants something changed :undecided:
PS. Since there is a moderator here (as in, came, posted…) can the Sir moderator change the title from “3 devotion” to “5 Devotion” since I was mistaken, and dumb and whatnot Thanks
Yeah because everyone in here reacted really vile and uncivilized. its best to just accept every silly idea/suggestion otherwise we’re being called bad names for not doing so
Thread title change. I really hope you do not feel that you were unable to express yourself here. We try to keep the old guard at bay, as much as possible. Not really seeing anything too aggressive here, just differences in opinion.
That’s why I said “with the exception”. I believe the sentence is correct. 
And I also said that there has already been some farming with this character. So it wouldn’t have been to 75 just by completing the dungeons.
Anyway, it’s just an example I have available.
I’ve had quite a few characters in SC that had no fear going in those dungeons and didn’t reach 50/75 by the end of normal (vet or not) and elite. But they are not available as examples as they have already done the ultimate.
Thanks. And for the record, I didn’t mean that anyone was “vile”, I meant everyone is against change But I expressed myself just fine, no problems there I am not a new player, I just didn’t register on forums until recently.
Sorry, my point was that 6 levels is a fairly significant difference. I should have explained myself more
From what others have said about clearing maps and completing all quests, I think it’s probably quite easy to reach 85 before you’ve completed all the content. If they balanced it so that you reached 85 by the end of ultimate, even if you didn’t clear maps and rushed to objectives, and didn’t complete all the quests, then if you DID do those things you’d probably reach 85 by early or mid Ultimate, which would make the content much easier.
I guess for repeat players who know what they are doing and skip content a bit of farming is going to be necessary.
Reaching 85 is not really the issue. We were talking about reaching 50 and 75 to respectively start elite and ultimate in the best conditions (better gear to face new challenge and new resistance malus).
Now you end all quests at lvl 45-50 in normal/vet (70-75 for elite) depending on how much you cleared each map on the way.
With the expension, they will add a new act with new xp to earn at each difficulty.
They can tone down the gains (or augment the necessary xp for leveling) in order to keep the same range at the end of the difficulty (which should result in reaching the end of ultimate by level 85-90).
Or they can leave it the same, allowing players that doesn’t want to farm on the way or at the end of the difficulty to reach the wanted threshold simply by doing the quest, and giving a head start in next difficulty for those who want to clear everything (which is not too much an advantage as the level of mobs is indexed on our level, but will allow them to reach lvl 100 sooner).
So, I hope it will be the second solution as it may be the best for all kind of players.