First things first, since I play with Pet builds mostly, using stuff like Revenant for RR is not exactly an option. So when you need that Flat RR and it is not an Elemental Build, Manticore is pretty much the only option from devotions.
It does ok’ish damage and the RR is ok too, for single targets. But when faced with a group of mobs, it seems rather… underwhelming. Like the AoE is weird and there is not enough Coverage. Maybe I am too used to Rhowan’s Crown, I don’t know. But if this won’t be OP, I think I would rather prefer something like a pool of Acid on the ground for X seconds in a 4m Radius or so.
Wanted to know what others think about it and if I am alone in wanting a change to the proc to make it better. Anyway, thoughts and opinions welcome. Also Poll Time:
Yes, Manticore Proc needs a Buff/Change to make it better at applying RR (and feed Maya Ice Cream)
No, Manticore is Fine. Feed Maya Ice Cream instead
Manticore was added recently physical resistance, that’s nice but the proc itself is still not great. Some(lot) acid builds prefer Revenant,so that should give you why voted for a buff to Manticore proc.
Manticore’s activation chance needs to go from 15% to 30%-40% at least. It’s the lowest chance among the flat RR constellations, with the worst AoE and secondary utility. It also has the shortest RR duration outside of Scales, but Scales has incredible side benefits. At its most basic, Manticore needs to activate more often to make up for this.
So why isn’t this a buff thread for Bysmiel’s Command?
Abstained from voting. I’d rather see the non-proc nodes of Manticore improved to make it more enticing - possibly with improved pet stats - rather than necessarily toying around with celestial powers when, for the most part, the flat Reduced RR ones are in a more balanced state than they’ve ever been.
Bysmiel’s Command will only work for Pets. And even then it is tied to a Pet that you need to summon and manage. If the Pet dies, no RR until CD is refreshed. Even when the pet is alive, the RR is pretty negligible interms of actual value gained from it.
Manticore however can be used by any build and can be bound to any pet and is much easier to make use of.
As for making it more attractive by improving the nodes, I don’t think any reasonable buffs there will make me want to go for it since the entire purpose of the devotion or atleast the only thing anyone will use it for is the RR. If you want Stats, there are better devos for it. But if you want flat RR, your choice is either either Manticore/Scales/Revenant.
Good thread, is it about ten thousandth-ish? Maybe this one will be the one not to fall on deaf ears.
Manticore was already buffed with three things:
a) phys res,
b) proc dmg and most importantly
c) Revenant mega nerfs
Which is all the things it doesn’t really need. What it really needs is:
a) much better proc chance (and/or making it on hit as acid already has a million active devo procs)
b) better shape of the proc (cone angle?) so that it affects neighboring melee attackers.
c) phys res was actually good but some non-acid res would also be good
d) cc res - another thing acid has nowhere to get
e) crit dmg - another thing acid has nowhere to get
When recently looking at Manticore (and comparing it to Revenant/Scales) it seems a little bit odd that 2nd and 4th node are only useful for Acid/Poison (or builds which convert it) while Revenant/Scales give much desirable generic stats which are useful for any builds (except perhaps pets…but who bothers with pets? ).
So I don´t see a special need to change the procc (because 28 RR is still the best you can get in devotions) but make Manticore more appealing to all builds using the “southern path” of devotions.
the proc would be much better if it had a base 20-25% proc chance and instead of weird cone aoe which hits stuff behind the target hits in a circular aoe.
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