Missing builds workshop

In a previous tread where we discussed builds that were never done or thought of before, @tqfan, @evil_baka and I theorycrafted an Acid PRM Warlock and an Acid Deceiver, neither of which were in the build compendium. That gave me the idea of making a list of damage type and class combination to see what has never been done.

Let’s theorycraft some of those oddballs, and maybe we’ll find something new, fun and powerful… who knows ? :slight_smile:

Build must be good enough to clear campaign: (Complete a Roguelike dungeon, crucible 170, Shattered Realms 50 or kill Korvaak)
If a build has 2 damage type, it checks both boxes. Elemental builds check all 3.

If you are aware of something that isn’t featured here or just made a new build, please post a link to it and I’ll add it to the chart :slight_smile:

Physical :faction_rovers: Fire :damage_fire: Cold :damage_cold: Lightning :damage_lightning: Acid :faction_dreeg: Pierce :dagger: Bleeding :drop_of_blood: Vitality :faction_undead: Aether :damage_aether: Chaos :damage_chaos:

Apostate :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Apostate
Archon :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: Archon
Battlemage :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :dagger: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Battlemage
Blademaster :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Blademaster
Cabalist :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Cabalist
Commando :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :dagger: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Commando
Conjurer :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Conjurer
Death Knight :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: Death Knight
Deceiver :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Deceiver
Dervish :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Dervish
Defiler :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :faction_dreeg: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Defiler
Druid :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: Druid
Elementalist :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: Elementalist
Infiltrator :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Infiltrator
Mage Hunter :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :dagger: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Mage Hunter
Oppressor :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :faction_dreeg: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: Oppressor
Paladin :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Paladin
Purifier :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :dagger: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Purifier
Pyromancer :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_undead: :damage_chaos: Pyromancer
Reaper :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: Reaper
Ritualist :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: Ritualist
Saboteur :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Saboteur
Sentinel :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :faction_dreeg: :faction_undead: :damage_chaos: Sentinel
Shieldbreaker :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_lightning: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Shieldbreaker
Sorcerer/ess :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Sorcerer/ess
Spellbinder :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: Spellbinder
Spellbreaker :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :damage_aether: Spellbreaker
Tactician :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Tactician
Templar :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Templar
Trickster :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: Trickster
Vindicator :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Vindicator
Warder :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: Warder
Warlock :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :faction_undead: :damage_aether: :damage_chaos: Warlock
Warlord :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :faction_dreeg: :drop_of_blood: Warlord
Witchblade :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :damage_lightning: :faction_dreeg: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_chaos: Witchblade
Witch Hunter :faction_rovers: :damage_fire: :damage_cold: :faction_dreeg: :dagger: :drop_of_blood: :faction_undead: :damage_chaos: Witch Hunter

Fun stats:
Most common type: Fire :damage_fire: 36/36
Least common type: Pierce :dagger: 16/36

Completed classes (10/10) : Apostate, Paladin, Deceiver, Infiltrator, Dervish
Least complete: Elementalist 3/10

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I have an aether spellbreaker and a physical defiler which I haven’t posted yet. I also did publish a fire reaper :rofl:

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Got tired, I’ll try make another post with 2nd part some another time.

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Added @fordprefect and @tqFan build lists (Also added Bleed Paladin, as I remember I have one of those :stuck_out_tongue: )

Paladin has a COMPLETE list :slight_smile:

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I am still waiting for the day I see a cold spellbinder. Great defenses, easy to convert 100% aether to cold, CDR (!), BH is a cold nuke but there’s also cold DE.

The RR however…

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Do it ! :slight_smile:

This is about what can be done, not what can qualify for Grimsheet
If it can clear campaign, it’s good enough

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@DeputyChuck

[edit] Oh, @Nery is coming. We can pretty much tick out the whole table then :laughing:

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I have done cold Spellbinder with items with -RR to Omen, together with Trozan. But I can’ find the link.

What’s required? The thing is I don’t keep backups on most of my all builds (my hard was formatted) but maybe I can help?

EDIT: I saw physical Shiedlbreaker isn’t marked, I have done three separate SB’s - two casters and one dual wield melee converting full FS damage to physical via Bero sword+1x Kilrian weapon.

The best one is this: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/M2gmzxvZ

Also I have tried pierce BH Reaper and physical Apostate (maybe tomorrow will reproduce them).

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To get this right, those WITHOUT an X are those to look at?

I mean even if they have an X doesn’t mean they couldn’t be built in a considerably different way.

Will pull up the couple I’m tagged on tomorrow and anything else I’ve actually played but not posted

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Opposite, those with an X have been done.

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I suggest making a separate column for elemental instead of checking all three elements cause elemental builds work differently than most single element builds especially in devotion pathing. Also I guess different columns for retal and pets too.

Some not really missing builds but I can’t find links.

Acid Blademaster - pretty easy. Discount dervish mode with cadence instead of RF. Pretty sure I saw @banana_peel make one.

Physical Spellbinder - is STRONG. I’m talking sub-5 cruci SR100 strong. Look for it in banana’s youtube. He’s got vids from 1.1.8.0 and not much changed since then. Phys shieldbreaker is decent too. I’m sure both were in grimsheet when it first launched but maybe grey and tqfan removed them due to lack of updates

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I noticed there wasn’t a cold Ritualist/Vindicator on there. Weird, these are totally doable.

Cold Ritualist basically builds itself with Morg’s set + Winter king sword or Alkamos Scythe. 2H BH or Cold PS. You could also do cold savagery with korba, since necro has reaping strike/necrotic edge. Has this really never been done? I am disappoint.

Cold Vindicator has good RR period. You can do plenty of ranged shenanigans with cold PS/Savagery. RoH would also support this playstyle pretty well.

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Physical Apostate? Here we are [1.1.9.1] Flame Reversible - Physical Flames of Ignaffar Apostate [sr+][mi][vid].

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I’m gonna guess this is more of a “for fun” kind of thing rather than any requirements like testing and passing certain content for a build to be approved :stuck_out_tongue:

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Updated the chart with everything submited that had a link or something along the lines of “X made one but I can’t find the link” since they were posted to begin with, they must have been at least as good as we need.

I did not include those that sounded like “XYZ should be easy to make” … for now :slight_smile:
Making those is the whole point :slight_smile: Get to work ! :rofl:

LOL

I mean, if it is decent enough to clear campaign, that’s enough. We’re not looking for top performers, just builds that work .

X have been done, let’s try and check the entire board.

I have to draw the line somewhere though. This is already extensive enough for just a fun exercise. Many elemental builds will use gear and devotions of a specific element since they’re all boosted anyway. And there is no rational to have builds that have 2 damage types (pierce + bleed for example) check 2 boxes, while elemental builds having its own separate box, and then having to build with all 3 elements separately. I get that they are built differently, but so are melee and pet builds.

This is also one of those place where I needed to draw a line. I decided that “pets” and “retal” were just like “Melee AA” or “caster” : just a different way to apply said damage. If I make separate entries for each, this chart could stretch to infinity :slight_smile:
We could have a very extensive chart where every playstyle + every element + every class is listed, but that sounds more like grindy homework than fun.

in short, not a bad idea in and of itself, but I had to draw a line somewhere, and “applied damage types” is where I drew it. :slight_smile:

I mean, anyone could throw together something in 5 minutes and call it a build… at the same time, it’s still a build if it doesn’t make it to SR75.

What I think is a reasonable benchmark is campaign (Ultimate).
To clear campaign, your build needs to be reasonably thought-through and focused, but not so optimised that they need multiple impossible MIs.
With stringier requirement, some of those combinations would be downright impossible anyway, so let’s keep it “casual” but still “efficient”

If your build can dispose of Korvaak or it can clear a roguelike dungeon, it’s absolutely good enough for this list.

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Yep, that’s exactly what this chart aims to do. :slight_smile:

Challenge accepted ?

Imo the point of this thread is to get to the most meme [class, damage type] combinations and then have fun making them work. For now we rule out those that obviously work and we will end up with questionable ones that will need maybe even video proofs to be accepted.

Well that’s because everyone just chooses Reapers, Tricksters, Blademasters, Druids, Spellbreakers for this.

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Pierce / physical belgo apostate https://www.grimtools.com/calc/DV9OYaPN
physical belgo infiltrator https://www.grimtools.com/calc/aZq0YQ5V
chaos/fire hybrid eor shieldbreaker https://www.grimtools.com/calc/wV1OWdPN
acid guardians + tss + acid purge templar https://www.grimtools.com/calc/62aR3JxV
pierce/bleeding trickster https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V0mlMRZ
pierce/bleeding witchhunter https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2EE7Bb2
physical rah’zin witchhunter https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNk7rY6N

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Speaking of which. I don’t know how tedious it could be to run through Campaign for the sole purpose of making video proof for a meme build vs just SR or Crucible…

So any one of there is fine (Ultimate) :
Korvaak
SR50
Crucible 170 (no matter the time)
Any of the roguelike dungeons.

Sounds good ?