I tried out my favorite somehow dumb concept again recently, fire focused fire strike pistols. Which is the base damage type for the attack line, so seems odd it’s more of a meme concept. The number 1 issue that causes all sorts of gear restraints is this bad boy
Somehow this pistol is still living the AoM split damage dream despite seeing the update in early FG. Chaos damage base but converting everything else to fire, doesn’t see use in any “modern” chaos or fire firestrike builds because of it. Oathkeeper skill tree I guess for the fire side? I wouldn’t want to run a chaos or split chaos/fire Shieldbreaker on it. As is, it requires 3 slots just to get the base chaos damage converted to fire (since dagallon helm only doing 50% of your base gun damage sounds like a bad time), and the end result is still low hp, low stats, low damage.
did it get the cross conversion mods because chaos pew pew/dark blaze was too strong at the time?
Or to deliberately not make fire too strong?
otherwise, couldn’t it just be swapped to Deviltongue?* keep the proc and stats the same, but move the conversion mods to devil tongue,
keep the 22 flat fire mod for the lulz/nostalgia? so we will always remember these funny days
*perhaps it wouldn’t be right to change it to base fire, leaves only 1 chaos gun/dark blaze left?, meanwhile we already have like a handful of fire guns, stronghold, dags, devil tongue, - blue gargabol
Damage is really good, but HP just goes poof! sometimes. Very good CC resistances without Ascension running, but I think the lower Armor does it in. I’m not 100% sure!
I don’t have a problem with this at all. from me!
I thought the prevailing mentality currently was to rock a double rare Bloodsworn Repeater for Darkblaze builds?
probably for some peak min max/top20 approach with the abyss suffix etc i’d guess
but that doesn’t change not everyone does that or even wants greens, let alone "caster"weapons on their pew pew - and it would still degrade the pool to just the 1/dark blaze, where as fire has a plethora of pew pew options; why does it need an extra abundance vs others?,
so to me it wouldn’t really sit right availability wise, and since there is still no green mafia out there, probably applies to them too
I don’t want to use anything but level 27 and lower components, please cater the game to me.
There is still deviltongue, a couple of blue pistols (because fire → chaos on FS is much easier than the other way). Indifferent if the mods changed location to the former, but supporting a supposed no green mafia for balance decisions seems beyond the pale imo
no green mafia or not, it’s still 4+ vs 1
like, why does this gun need to turn into a another fire base?
it just seems… beyond redundant imo
which is twice as funny when certain people are arguing in other threads for the lack of X dmg type weapons - and then want to actively reduce the amount of a dmg type weapon here
Full Chaos (and Physical) to Fire to Fire Strike mod for pistols still doesn’t exist and it is weird. For some odd reason ranged Fire Fire Strike with pistols, one of the OG archetypes of GD builds is undersupported or has strange items like this Exterminus.
All the years we were begging for Fire Fire Strike pistols support you have managed to:
add full support (i.e. all conversions) for Cold/Fire/Chaos/Lightning melee Fire Strikes
add full support for Cold/Chaos/Lightning even Vitality and Acid (!) ranged Fire Strikes
Which is great! And yet a poster boy of GD builds - gunslinger with fiery pistols - is somehow relegated to playing meme specs with pistols like this one.
Is there a particular reason for that? Will slapping such mod on Deviltongue (or changing Exterminus base to Fire) break the game?
surely something must have happened around that time to cause these mods being put on? dark blaze blazing through Cruci or something back then? Fire Dags being too full fire?
Long in the past either way and not especially relevant now! 2-3 PTs ago we had passthrough PS MI rifle appear for one patch and disappear, now it’s lower end high tier. I assume Z allowed pushing the envelope so we can all get our shit pushed in with the new difficulty.
yep, hence the point it being back then
Not like we’ve seen/heard much of Dark Blaze etc pew pew "OP"ness recently atleast, unless i missed something relevant lately or “top20’ish” for next patch?
Hell if I know. That pistol is not even a part of the optimised version of Darkblaze.
Some old changes happened because Zantai might have seen some 4 minute Crucible run and changed (nerfed) item stayed like that for ages. At this point several metas have passed and game balanced moved on (few times), noone really remembers.
Ranged gameplay was shortly on top in 1.1.9.x (or was it earlier?) - we had Evoker and ranged Warlord in our original top20, and several strong ranged contenders back then. But since then it kinda fell off with all the balance changes etc.
it’s probably deliberate it didn’t get that at the time, since it would “conflict” slightly with dags split conversion(getting more fire), or as Eard mentioned in OP require 2-3 slots for global conversion
Assumption being/was that easy or full chaos conversion was deemed “too strong” at the time/back when (never getting full/free 100% FS conversion been kinda a staple for a while )
yes, this is great for darkblaze! I assume FoA will bring more fire Fire Strike support. Also fire cronley helmet got lightning to fire conversion, so there is at least that for now