I agree - I think there is a happy middle ground and the key is just reasonable moderation. I mean most of us do play these games in one way or another for the psychological satisfaction of grinding XP and loot… just the grind needs to be a grind-lite. I think ARPG is sort of the province of those who don’t have the patience for MMO pacing or who enjoyed MMOs but have become burnt out / too busy with life and want that mechanic but served up faster in easier to swallow portions.