Pet Conjurer vs Pseudo Pet Dervish - [Levelling] Performance Comparison

[Maya]

@Maya, I’m going to politely ignore you from now on, let this be my final reply to you on any forum:

Heh, we will see…
Interesting to call someone out and saying you are going to ignore them though.

Yeah right, only dummy tests? Check the vids posted here. I have recorded every boss kill up to level 60, and not a single case where your conjurer would be close, with devotions, without, without support skills, etc. Even Ekket’zul who has 80% fire res at level 45-50 (will double check the vid) went down 50% faster with the dervish. All you have provided so far is words, not a single evidence and yet you are yourself keep blaming others for not showing proof. Anyhow, I’m glad there are pet players who are willing to test stuff and be constructive here. So we gonna keep testing and learning together without you.

You have yet to make a proper comparison. You don’t get to talk shit until you do.

If someone claims that the Earth is flat, you don’t buy them a trip on a spaceship to prove them wrong. Besides, burden of proof rests on the one making the claim.

Oh, so here we go again, more excuses. Tell this to new players who struggle with those bosses and then give up on builds because they feel boring and slow. Yes, Log has mind control, but it’s one of the bosses in this game. I don’t cherry pick my fights. In fact, I didn’t even know it had this ability until you started accusing me of skewing tests.

Alright then, for the next comparison, let us do superbosses where Pets have an edge. All those builds pulling 4 min Crucible must be crap because they can’t kill Callagadra, right?

Afterall Cally is a boss in this game and I am sure there are players struggling vs her and give up on builds because they feel weak and slow vs her.

Endgame? to be relatively fast? The builds that are shown as very strong, when you say stuff like “Calla 10-15 min kill, very easy actually…” You bet they need some sets. And if they don’t, they need some legendaries or other gear that isn’t just a 30% drop chance from a boss that can be farmed at level 20 like Barthollem (But hey, apparently that makes my build super hard to gear).

Oh, we discussing endgame now? Kindly show your build’s performance vs Cally please, with or without BiS items.

Exactly my words. That’s MY FEELING about it. If I see 3x performance difference at certain level, that’s like having 3x number of beasts in my opinion. Opinion. If you had an opinion that your pet builds are 3x times faster and you expressed it, I wouldn’t call you a drug addict or liar or talking out your @$$.

Opinions can be wrong. You can have the opinion that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

That’s my experience compared to faster builds like this dervish. I don’t even go extreme and choose insanely strong levelling specs like WoP infiltrators, AAR, and other 'blast all" specs. And yes, I played them all and at least have some basic idea of how they compare without extreme focus and optmization.

And yet, you haven’t been able to prove it. I wonder why.

True story! If you kill fast but are dragging and trudging along the map like a snail, - your build may feel slow overall compared to other builds. You really notice the difference in MP games. I only spent about 1k hours playing GD multiplayer, not much, but that was enough to notice this aspect. A build with +2 extra blink spells has a huge advantage in speedfarming!

Ok, Zoomer!

But it is irrelevant if you are talking about a build’s power. This isn’t PoE.

Not +, should have been ‘or’ my bad.

You’d still be wrong though. I am sure anyone here can attest to atleast that much.

2 runs on average is all it takes to get it drop. Compare this to your ‘target farmable’ Krieg’s or Dark ones. Which btw, you yourself claimed to have never farmed. And yet you somehow tried telling me that those are comparable to farming a helmet that has 10 times higher chance to drop and can be obtained on Normal!? Where’s the logic?

Why would I be comparing that with farming Krieg’s or Dark one’s?
Pets use neither and require neither.

If you want to talk about how your build performs vs Krieg’s or Dark one, then that has nothing to do with pets.

You can cherry pick my posts all day but that doesn’t change the facts. I’ve uploaded GTs and char files. If you have anything concrete to say, say it with evidence and let’s see who starts to skew the results, altering builds and changing playstyles.

It is not my responsibility to prove or disprove your claims. Why would I waste my time proving you wrong when you, yourself cannot prove your theories?

In all this testing, I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt. I put aside the Conflagration relic and used Nemesis to keep my dervish in the pet zone (even though Conflagration adds 30% damage at level 60!). I also only allowed myself to put a single point into EoR (even though I could easy max it out at this stage and have +40K DPS) to only use it for the damage reduction and devotion proc.

My dervish is actually handicapped by about 70k dps at level 63 now, just to focus on pets and their performance more. But hey, that part nobody cares about, right? And I’m the one picking wrong bosses and testing every suggested tweak here to get to some level of truth.

I never asked you to handicap yourself though. And you still don’t have Assassin’s Blade in any of your Pet GTs even though I explicitly asked you to take it since we are comparing pre Mindweaver and a bulk of the pet dmg is still unconverted physical.

But hey, no one cares about that either, right?

So, I will no longer respond to you or anyone who jumps on quotes out of context instead of trying to be constructive.

Quite a few people reached out to me in the last few days, saying that they love this pet dervish and find it very easy to play and gear up. I do my best to respond to all questions and try suggestions.
But it’s comments like “I’m loving this build, it’s by far my favourite now…” what makes me feel that this wasn’t for nothing!

Forums or real life, stay decent or bust.

You can be a sore loser, it is alright.

[Contragor]

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/bVA3EqBN

Do you have a version without the lokarr’s set? Just to make this comparison beginner friendly. Also, not sure if you can reliably find both the amulet and offhand during levelling. But that’s fine, let’s keep both, just switch the set to some greens maybe? Oh, and the rings too. How much damage do they actually add?

BTW, loving the fact that you are using maxed out skellies here! I always thought they provided the most eye candy fireworks!

[DraxRifter]

@Contragor,

You are right. I just used the Lokarr set+amy+off hand because I can’t be arsed to farm relevant greens. Just want to show what is possible. I haven’t even looked at what’s available to fill the holes. If I have time I’ll try and come up with a legit build.

BTW, I don’t think the helmet is that big of a deal for your build. Each GoE is about 8k DPS with your lvl53 toon. Less than 10% DPS loss without it. It’s wont be hard to obtain though at lvl40 given how strong the build is without it.

[Maya]

I’m pretty sure I can make it better if I knew what I was doing lol. Here is the build.
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/bVA3EqBN

Completely unrelated to the thread, but I am curious on something like Bat attached to Skeletons in place of Rhowan’s Crown (since you don’t really need the elemental RR and are doing a Vit build)

Oh, nvm, Just saw you are using Ancestor relic

[Duskdeep86]

@Maya
@Contragor
u 2 gays are very popular in the Forum, pls dont quarrel by this little things.
I like PET build & HC mode, so I hope can exchange experience with u 2 often here. Don’t want to hear arguments

I mean result really not important. Important is enjoying the game fun.

and never endgame in GD, until u pass SR200

[Contragor]

BTW, I don’t think the helmet is that big of a deal for your build. Each GoE is about 8k DPS with your lvl53 toon. Less than 10% DPS loss without it. It’s wont be hard to obtain though at lvl40 given how strong the build is without it.

It’s not just the swing, there’s a dot component and also more Guardians swinging = better proc of the Flame torrent or any other devo.

I mean result really not important. Important is enjoying the game fun.

True story! No more arguments from me here as stated in one of my posts above. I’m going to see how far we can push both Pets and Pseudo pets! SR200 is a good starting goal!

[Duskdeep86]

@Contragor
@Maya
ehhh, pls be friendly, forgot that arguments words.
I’ll show u gays some crazy & interesting about SR200 videos

[DraxRifter]

@Maya, The skeleton mages do fire damage and that’s actually where a good chunk of skelly DPS seems to come from. I also have a strong suspicion that the skelly mage attacks are spells and thus do not benefit from +flat damage to pets.

[Maya]

@Maya, The skeleton mages do fire damage and that’s actually where a good chunk of skelly DPS seems to come from. I also have a strong suspicion that the skelly mage attacks are spells and thus do not benefit from +flat damage to pets.

Interesting…
Elemental Lost Souls Pet build?

Spell can still have weapon dmg though. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be info on the different types of skeletons on GT’s Pet DB.

[Duskdeep86]

How come Elemental Lost Souls ? set provide 60% phy - Vit & 60% Fire - Vit
of course u can use low value set, but least have 45% - vit

[Maya]

How come Elemental Lost Souls ? set provide 60% phy - Vit & 60% Fire - Vit
of course u can use low value set, but least have 45% - vit

It was a joke

[Duskdeep86]

but I relly wish have 2 elemental hellhounds equipment as before u mention, than I will max Ember Claw & Infernal Breath.
the new Fire summon ring also useless, that’s why until now not have 1 build about this.

[Maya]

but I relly wish have 2 elemental hellhounds equipment as before u mention, than I will max Ember Claw & Infernal Breath.
the new Fire summon ring also useless, that’s why until now not have 1 build about this.

Random Concept for Hellhound build using new rings: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/q2MaEJW2

(Not Tested)

[Duskdeep86]

Primal Instinct may better?
5 warmlings have 1500 Base fire damage can replace primal spirit.

I still think Ring of Khonsar attribute is unreasonable.

[Maya]

Primal Instinct may better?
5 warmlings have 1500 Base fire damage can replace primal spirit

Possibly. Need to test it.

I still think Ring of Khonsar attribute is Unreasonable.

Hopefully next patch makes it better

[Duskdeep86]

Hopefully next patch makes it better

no double Familiar, no double Hellhound, no Primal spirit. is this really PET Conjurer ??

also Pet fire damage no something special. lightning have belt, poison have ring. bleeding have amulet.

[hammyhamster1]

I was thinking a while ago that Swarmlings + Korvaak blade + Basmiel Iris + Beastcaller set would be good on fire pets. My vision of Fire pets + wind devils.

Attach Hand of Ultos to the bird (10 targets @ full conversion is not small) and Flame Torrent to briarthorns. Although the conversion on Eldritch Fire would be better with a pet, I think the wind devils will apply it more efficiently at a rate of 1/s. Hellhounds will be blowing up too fast, imho.

(Korvac blade means that Briar, hound, primal, and swarmlings have up to 100% physical conversion–>fire, depending on ring proc timings).

[Duskdeep86]

My ideas is weapon & Relic provide 8 bugs and 100% phy - fire, keep Pet res over 30 then these bugs will no die.
but skill point never enough.

[Maya]

My ideas is weapon & Relic provide 8 bugs and 100% phy - fire, keep Pet res over 30 then these bugs will no die.
but skill point never enough.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/M2g1eQWZ

This is possible. But weak Pet Res

[Contragor]

I suggest you guys start a new thread for theorycrafting endgame builds. I’ll keep levelling the conjurer, ritualist and dervish here.