how are you even arriving at these numbers?
because it looks like in one you’re partially factoring in cast speed, while in the other you don’t?
anyway,
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I don’t know, just let the experts have a look and if they think it’s all ok, then I’m ok too. I just won’t ever use this skill, that’s all. It’s bad with a cooldown and worse without it.
This you?
Based on other comments made here, my best advice for you is to get off grimtools and play the game. See for yourself whether Acid Purge is so strong (spoiler: it isn’t) or whether Phantasmal Blades is so weak (spoiler: it isn’t).
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then you’re missing out, likely based on a misunderstanding
they did, and got it nerfed for being OP 
- while now still being toptier material, even in "meme"build format
this is kinda true, but that’s because it’s basically scaled after spamming/most building focuses around lowering cooldowns of skills, and game balance around actual “nukes” have gone a bit astray, because players prefer lower cd dps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avny2uQRPlY
45 sec cala kill?? maybe its not so bad after all…
Fine, just so I can give you all a break from all the hostility you’re displaying. I can enjoy this game even with a few flaws. It’s just strange that people love flaws or just pretend that they’re not there.
One more thing, is it ok to post on this forum if I ever get any more bright ideas? Or are people completely fed up already from the seven posts I made so far? Just so I can know if I’m a persona non-grata or not. Because it seems like I am ever since I made the first post. You either get triggered by some particular topics or there’s usually something in the air on the forum. You could also give me a list of subjects that I can talk about without triggering anyone.
Anyone is welcome to post here providing things are kept civil. This is a mature forum so people will express their opinions same as you can.
I don’t think anyone here is ever going to tell you to stop posting feedback. Contrary to what it may seem, we do try to be at least a little welcoming, even if we may approach with some snark.
If it is so much a concern for you, the “Tips for Posting Feedback” pinned thread mentions this:
I can’t speak for everyone, but having engaged with you a lot in a prior thread, it really does seem that much of your feedback so far has originated from perusing numbers and stats on grimtools. Hence my earlier post.
Up front, Crate/Zantai takes feedback a lot more seriously when a struggling build has been played and tested in practice. If you came here with a leveled and geared character and found one of your skills for that character was particularly weak, the conversation we’d be having here would likely be very different…albeit you’d inevitably wind up getting build advice without asking for it. Just the way of things, that, alas. But the conversation would, on the surface, at least look a little more constructive.
Knee-jerk feedback from theory by perusing grimtools (and pre-release patchnotes) is not taken very seriously because there are too many moving parts in a game like Grim Dawn for such feedback to translate cleanly from the vacuum of one skill/item to the full game.
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I was civil from day one. I can’t say I got the same in return and no one seems to mind. Also, ganging up on someone and minimizing everything they say (and often using ad-hominems), just to make a point have more weight, can be qualified as not being civil. But maybe we’re not talking about the same code of civility.
To the point:
You casually list 3 skills that have had recent buffs and are very strong.
You seem to assume that nobody wears any gear. PB can have 8 projectiles, if you want to.
And add a bunch of flat damage. And plays really well, once you get the energy consumption under control.
No build posted and no gameplay footage provided indicates that you indeed only use GT for your analysis.
I recommend you follow one of the beginner guides for PB or Essence Drain and then maybe you’ll change your mind.
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I’d rather wait for someone who understands the point of my analysis. It’s close to the beginning, if not the first exact comment. I can’t understand it for you, but thanks for the contribution nonetheless. I’ve already seen the same exact response from the n previous people. You must be here to add more weight to that particular point (whose purpose is to misunderstand mine), by repeating it once more. I’ve seen this point and understood it, so there’s no more need for repetition, please.
Phantasmal blades is too weak as a skill
Your point is not hard to understand (thanks for implying I’m too dumb tho).
You are just hilariously wrong.
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Never said that. I only imply that we don’t have the same interpretation of my point.
I could just use the same tactic and say the same thing about you, but would that get us anywhere?
On topic: If there is a flat comparison between a seal and a capped out skill (without gear) as a baseline, it’s never going to give an accurate depiction.
No matter what you do, without/with even math’n things (gdtools, napkin math, whatever…) there is just no logical way a seal will ever out do a skill (typically?) as there is no itemization to further enhance the seal beyond global stats.
Off topic:
That post should have been deleted long ago if there is some claim about mature conversations. Reminds me of being told I need a “therapist” because I didn’t agree with changes suggested from someone’s post.
IMHO CD base gameplay is behind and has been pointed out in other threads IIRC. Even focusing on dots won’t give the clear time upfront dmg gives you. Just how it is.
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I just explained how, close to the beginning. You should stop posting the same things over and over again, because it’s starting to look like harassment. Moderator, can you please do your job?
The raw numbers as you calculated have little to do with how the skills play out in game. People have repeatedly given you advice and you don’t seem interested. What do you expect people to say here?
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Yes, “repeatedly” being the keyword. I think it’s enough already. I’ve seen that point, I half-agree with it, given the right conditions, but I also still support the other half, which is mine.
You didn’t do that. The main problem is that you don’t try to learn, but instead create a new thread every time with yet another “revolutionary” false claim, and then try to defend it. Discussion is always welcome, but not when you’re shown examples, as in this case, of strong PB-based builds, and you stubbornly ignore them. And even the opening post contains incorrect calculations.
Nerd thing:
WD flats: 1000
Cast speed: 200%
All flats are converted.
No gear or mods.
PB DpS: ((1000*(1,05-0,55))+1112) * 6 * 4 * 0,4 = 15475,2
Component DPS: (1000*0,36+464)*8 = 6592
15475 > 6502
End of OP discussion.
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Uh that was my first post and I just pointed out my opinion on a seal vs a 40 pt skill and how you cannot come to an a conclusion that is legit by comparing them with a naked character.
I don’t have an issue understanding what you are stating. I, like others have pointed out, am just saying that this comparison just doesn’t work because the game isn’t built that way and you cannot look at it in this vacuum.
Asking for civil conversation when accusing others of “harassment” when they disagree with you is hypocrisy at its best.
I’d imagine the thread will (hopefully) be closed soon.