[REL] Grimarillion

[Matougi]

@Matougi - I will do whatever I can for translators. But for now, I did not understand your request and am fixated on the Autopickup.

Thanks for your concern. And I apologize for any confusion.

Before, I did the request similar also about CrucibleLT MOD of Stormcaller. It is because change of the existing conversation makes translation difficult. In that case, he has solved by adding the conversation files made into another names. By the same method as it, I thought that this problem would be solvable.

I understand that you are busy with the thing of the components. Please remember this, when your problem is solved.

[Matougi]

The Why version is merely Grimarillion without most of Grimmest. The whole point of Grimarillion is to play Grimmest. But since it is not for everyone and there has been demand, I occasionally rip out the extra spawns and build a release with y instead of v on the version string displayed at the Active Quests area. The version does not get much testing but since it is built off the main mod, which does get tested, it normally is fine. However, in the current version, I forgot to remove some records that I started for Grimmest in a new folder location. So there are a couple of Grimmest spawns in the why version. This will be fixed in the next version, which I still hope to include an Autopickup fix with. But I spent the whole day yesterday on that and am still not sure what the fix is. But at least I now understand what exactly the bug is. So we are making progress.

I played Grimarilliony for a short time. I thought that it was just right difficulty. And I enjoyed the surprise of the first quest which is also here. It is better not to remove it, if it is this that you have forgotten to remove. Even if Grimarilliony is an easy version, it’s better to leave some features of Grimmest.

[Stormcaller]

Thanks for your concern. And I apologize for any confusion.

Before, I did the request similar also about CrucibleLT MOD of Stormcaller. It is because change of the existing conversation makes translation difficult. In that case, he has solved by adding the conversation files made into another names. By the same method as it, I thought that this problem would be solvable.

I understand that you are busy with the thing of the components. Please remember this, when your problem is solved.

here is the modding side of that, showing it is probably easier than explaining since the action required is so simple and the explanation creates confusion:

• rename the .cnv file to something else
• don’t forget to change the links in the npc file (I just do a text search across the directory in sublime text via ctrl+shift+f and I search for the filename I changed)

and thats it.

[Matougi]

here is the modding side of that, showing it is probably easier than explaining since the action required is so simple and the explanation creates confusion:

• rename the .cnv file to something else
• don’t forget to change the links in the npc file (I just do a text search across the directory in sublime text via ctrl+shift+f and I search for the filename I changed)

Thank you for giving detailed explanation!
Unfortunately I don’t understand at all, but I hope this leads to solution.

[jiaco]

Thank you for giving detailed explanation!
Unfortunately I don’t understand at all, but I hope this leads to solution.

No worries, Stormcaller’s explanation was crystal clear for me.

[Matougi]

No worries, Stormcaller’s explanation was crystal clear for me.

I’m glad to hear that. Thanks!

[jiaco]

http://imgur.com/a/MDTkP

Quoting this now so I do not forget it. imgur is blocked at work so I never saw the image. GDplaceholder1 is messed up, aka in UI, for some reason.

[jiaco]

MP Playtesters wanted!

Giving up on the previous method of Autopickup, I have found a workable solution, at least for single player. It still has one hell of an exploit. I bet if you tried, you could crash your game by never picking up a component. The old version as well as this test version are doing the same thing. If you leave them in the world, you are destroying the “natural progression” of the game. Whatever, my parents told me not to smoke…

In any case, before, the pickup was triggered by OnRemoveFromWorld, which was nice and peachy. But, OnRemoveFromWorld is mysterious and if you leave an area with an Autopickup component on the ground, it gets “removed from world”, even though it is still there on the ground when you return.

So, little elves are at work…you turn your back and they come and remove stuff. You go back they replace it. Exactly where it was. That brings us to OnAddToWorld. As you guessed, it triggers when the loot is added such as when the component or scrap pop into the game out of a tasty loot orb or dead corpse on a bridge. And it triggers when the elves put it back too after you had to use the vendor.

But this is kinda fun, if I put the Autopickup on OnAdd as soon as you loot, you get them. You still have to pick them up. Otherwise, you trigger the exploit.

But which is the better way? And how does this work in MP?

In any case, the script just got made generic, so I need to edit all 80+ dbrs to change something, and now I could just as easily change the script call and move it to the OnAddToWorld trigger at the same time. But I suspect that OnAddToWorld is the less good option.

For anyone who wants to see this in action, and if some pairs of you could test in MP with both loot options and tell me who gets what and how many.

Here is a mods/Grimarillion/database/Grimarillion.arz database replacement

https://mega.nz/#!FBBWlTrR!XWen0gl2xT1NnZpIfgvMWsMyo-wicFQWmnXiQ9HoGJg

here is the mods/Grimarillion/resources/scripts.arc

https://mega.nz/#!0JogTZKa!rgvZ6tgB9kPw38ky47J0tzcCbDKvgITuuvU8X0zx708

backup your originals as these are not release quality versions, all they do is modify polished emeralds that drop from the starting bridge now. So to test, you enter world together, loot the corpse without picking up the emeralds. Leave by rift somewhere. Wait about 30 seconds, rift back to DC. You barely materialize and you should hear the sound of the component(s) you left on the bridge getting mistakenly put back into the world into your inventory as well as on the bridge.

I do not even know if only the person looting will get the component or if everyone gets them or what will happen in MP. If you have time to kill, give it a shot. I will put your names in the OP.

[Ceno]

I bet if you tried, you could crash your game by never picking up a component.

I guess that rules out Nine ever trying the mod.

[mamba]

In any case, before, the pickup was triggered by OnRemoveFromWorld, which was nice and peachy. But, OnRemoveFromWorld is mysterious and if you leave an area with an Autopickup component on the ground, it gets “removed from world”, even though it is still there on the ground when you return.

so at that time you got all the components you did not pick up transferred to your inventory ? That is almost a feature

But this is kinda fun, if I put the Autopickup on OnAdd as soon as you loot, you get them. You still have to pick them up. Otherwise, you trigger the exploit.

not sure I follow, isn’t the need to pick them up defeating the idea of auto-pickup ?

[Ceno]

so at that time you got all the components you did not pick up transferred to your inventory ? That is almost a feature

Except they’re still on the ground after the transfer, too.

[jiaco]

Except they’re still on the ground after the transfer, too.

except the elves

so at that time you got all the components you did not pick up transferred to your inventory ? That is almost a feature

not sure I follow, isn’t the need to pick them up defeating the idea of auto-pickup ?

maybe i say pickup when i mean autopickup…i cannot part with this feature, it changes the game for me, you set the filter to green and clear the screen to deal with ocdedness but do not have to rift to vendor often.

[jiaco]

I’m sorry, the report of the bug in the first quest was a problem peculiar to translation. There is no problem in the mod. It was the problem produced in change of “mq_wakingtomisery.qst”.

Since quest (qst) and conversation (cnv) aren’t pure text but uniting text with a script, we have to extract a text from the script file, when translating. If the original qst (or cnv) is changed, the line position of the extracted text will change. And when the line position of a translation text changes, the quest log is no longer displayed or conversation becomes impossible.

In this case, if the changed file is exchanged for the original thing, the text will be displayed correctly. However, when a user removes mod, he have to exchange for an original text again, so he cannot use mod easily.

From these kinds of reasons, could you build the mod by making mq_wakingtomisery.qst into another name or adding qst of an alias by the same contents (eg. mq_grimarillion_wakingtomisery.qst)? Although the way of adding qst of an alias by the same contents may be promising, I don’t understand well.

I looked into this. Stormcaller’s explanation applied to cnv, this is a quest file, I have no control over the textual formatting of the modified quest file.

[Stormcaller]

[RIGHT]watch me translate a translator
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I looked into this. Stormcaller’s explanation applied to cnv, this is a quest file, I have no control over the textual formatting of the modified quest file.

game decides what to translate by their filenames.
when you change content of a file, if the file name remains the same, the translations will still apply even though the content is different(but in a broken and meaningless way) – additionally, if you change the file to something else, he can include the translation for that file in his zip, and in that way the official translation downloads will work for the mod too.

in short, just change the filenames to something else and change the values in .dbrs and (if any) other places to match that, no need to change the content.

basically the same thing with the .cnv files.

in long:

• the unmodded game has a file, “x.file”. It has the content “a”
• the translator translates the file, puts “x.translation” with the content “あ” in his zip
• the game now understands the contents of “x.file” should be replaced with the contents of “x.translation”, which is “a->あ”
• ----
• a modder comes along, changes the content of the file “x.file” to “e”
• now, someone has the translation and the mod, the game will see “x.file” and “x.translation”, then “e” will get translated as “あ” – which is the wrong translation, but the game translated it as the filenames matched and that was all it cared for
• ----
• if the modder named the file “y.file” instead(and replaced the links of course), the translator could translate that file, put his file in the zip as “y.translation” with the content “え”
• in which case, the modded game will look for “y.translation” and the unmodded game will look for “x.translation”, and there will be no conflict.

If both files stayed same however, one would need to release and maintain 2 different translation zips.

the greater lesson here and its that the list version is even though its written correctly and in good bits, is harder to understand because its too long for what its trying to tell. I only realized this after I wrote it.

p.s.
someone should make a modding guidelines and add those.

[Matougi]

Thanks again Stormcaller for extra explaining. And jiaco, you don’t have to go out your way to solve the problem of translation. Currently, you are busy with the problem of the components. I don’t want you to waste excessive time more. Anyway, I appreciate all your help.

[system]

Hey guys,

I have a problem to get Albrecht’s Aether Ray working with the mod.
This is how the skill looks vanilla:

Schaut euch mal dieses Bild an!

This is how it looks in v.023:

As you can see, the Aether damage is missing, making it impossible to turn the Aether Ray into chaos dmg ray. My main problem though is that I cant use the skill at all, when I press on it nothing happens. Does not work when aiming on mobs, neither in the free space and I do have a caster off-hand equipped.

[ASYLUM101]

Are you using a spear? I can’t explain the missing damage, but spears and maybe staves cannot use channeled skills yet due to missing animations.

[jiaco]

Cornucopia changed it I bet.

[ThentyZ]

when will be update with GQ 1.41 hotfix?

[ASYLUM101]

when will be update with GQ 1.41 hotfix?

I forgot to send jiaco the files, I will try to send them today. Been kinda busy with work past few days, have had to play catch up thanks to the hurricane Mathew