So I came across this YT vid and wondered what build he was using: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq9G8ZuNmmA . I’m not the best sleuth out there but it’s a Warder using Guillotine (I think), Clean Sweep, Rend (ofc), Savagery, Oleron (Soldier) and Oleron/Blind Fury devotion.
I’m more of a half baked idea person at best but I threw together a grimcalc for the purposes of discussion: http://grimcalc.com/build/ot8VA0e
Never built a bleeder myself so wondering what those with more experience think.
Looking at the video I think a Laceration megacrit was all it took, maybe he stacked an insane amount of human damage too.
I believe that person has an account in this forums too, think it was DonnieDarko or something, you may ask him.
Looks like this was done by the same person that posted the mad queen in 3 seconds video…which was posted by ABCBarbeque. I also noticed the title of the video was “Buggy bleeding damage” so maybe he is exploiting something like in the TD video of the Mad Queen kill… Don’t think it is TD this time as Blade arc isn’t getting constantly refreshing…
I am running a similar build to what you posted but with kracken instead of unknown soldier… Might make a big difference… I’ve only getting up 190k on Fab…course I don’t really know what I’m doing… Might be my tiny phone screen but I also don’t see the living shadows in the video either.
I did notice he is using counterstrike, which is missing from your suggested build. That is a huge bleed source.
Does anyone know what all those proc icons are? I recognize fighting spirit and Menhir’s Will. Is that skull the open hand/close fist proc or the BoM proc? I remember seeing it on my warder but can’t remember which one it is… Those star icons can be giants blood, but I think other skills too as there actually are two of them that pop…
There are icons of a sword and arrow that pop after MW… The bleed tick is at 77k when they first pop…He used BA and the next tick is 385K… So that does support the Laceration mega crit route…
So is he just stacking as much OA and crit damage as possible?
The video was indeed made by ABCBarbeque. However, despite the title, there is no bug in that video - it is simply a bleed warder with enormous cunning getting lucky crits (with huge modifier, I might add), stacking +% damage to humans and having a massive OA boost from the judicator signets set.
Anyway, with no reference point there is no way to determine how efficient the build really is… I mean it can be a cherry picked video or it may not be one. This was also done before Hotfix 2 where the massive boost to the nemeses HP was not employed yet. Currently, I believe this build will yield you an average of 10-11 seconds kill time vs Fabius (not counting the blade barrier ofc) which is not even top 3.
Interesting, thanks for the replies guys. Had no idea that Clean Sweep/laceration could hit that hard, Hoping for a lucky crit every five seconds definitely doesn’t seem optimal/reliable to me.
Makes sense, think I was watching his Queen kill vid and the Warder was served up as a recommended vid by YT.
So out of curiosity, what are the fastest Nemesis killers in the current meta? Time Dilation/Shadow Striker is fast, abusing eye/flame torrent procs with Devastation under TD is really fast. Your Doom Bolter is another TD powerhouse. Outside of TD, every flavor of NB aside maybe Trickster would be the fastest I would think (with WH a touch slower from the testing I’ve seen.) Am I missing anything?
That is not a build, man…I am 100% sure it was not intended. It is just a bug that creates unwanted consequences just like the old Agrivix Malice. Even your GPU won’t be happy about 1000 eyes gravitating your character.
Anyway, if we discuss Fabius kill times the fastest is SS-spam TD Spellbreaker. Lowest I’ve got was 3.8 sec, but I am sure ETK pulled a 3 sec one after 10 days of farming. This is due to +% damage to humans ofc and how overpowered Shadow Strike really is with the massive energy regen provided by the arcanist and 0 cooldown.
Leaving that aside, Blademaster is still king and is not hard to find videos on the internet of 9-10 second kills in Hotfix 2.
Fully agree, and tried to tip my hand by calling it an abuse of the (presumably unintended) interplay between TD and the procs of those 2 devotions.
I have a SB TD SS spammer and a BM and although the SB is pretty good for lulz I find the BM more satisfying overall since the performance is consistently smooth and not underwhelming followed by godlike after dipping below the TD threshold.
And this is one of the many reasons I refrain from calling TD “overpowered” yet. My advice here is prudence - first fix the “abusable” bugs and then determine after another patch if TD is game breaking or not. If you throw the baby out with the bathwater 1/3 of all possible caster builds will be dead and buried. Furthermore, ppl will complain further that vitality/chaos builds are trash and casters suck compared to everything else…and to be honest here - they still do since you need 1000 hours of honest farming to pull it off.
Look at the tag cloud - I still see blademaster as the most sought after class, not some unorthodox, experimental, god gear TD build nobody will really be playing.
my WH, non-TD killed him in 8sec in HF 2. vid was like the best time out of 3-4 tries or something. so not much of a cherry picked vid. average gear.
i’m sure blademasters put up similar, maybe better numbers. so as far as fabiuskilling is concerned these 2 classes are probably the fastest non-TD builds that have reasonable survivability without relying on CD’s.
as sub 10sec boss kills really just depend on how many crits u get, and is quite meaningless. i dunno what the “average” times would be.
i think blademasters run slightly faster and have double gap close, so ya, if you want pure farming efficiency vs fabius or any nemesis for that matter, blademaster still king mostly due to mobility
Yep, I converted my poison WH (never was satisfied with how it turned out) over to your build and even with underleved devotions it was a big improvement (think I’m up to lvl 5 on Unknown Soldier proc). Plus just dropped several MQ claws from farming her with my TD SS Spellbreaker so should be even better. Not sure it will be different enough from my BM to displace the latter as my favorite general farming build, but it’s a really clever take on a WH.
Plus as you note, double gap closer is so nice on a BM, you miss it with just one on other NB variants and playing class combos with no closer is a real hardship lol.
I mean, there are so many problems with casters and TD is kind of like Kraken was for 2H builds, a huge band aid and some spackle to cover a sucking chest wound. Of course, as it turns out, SS spammers probably benefited from TD most of all but that’s a different story. The caster problem touches on so many areas of design, such as (i) very poor scaling late, (ii) they deliver the glass big time but very little cannon and (iii) doing what they excel at–slaughtering trash–is greatly depreciated because trash drops, well, total trash. So efficiency demands a speedy build that kills heroes, bosses and Nemesis lightning fast (or runs fast to the last great treasure trove lol), and none of these requirements is met by pure casters.
That said, a band aid and spackle is better than nothing at all and if Crate intends to gut TD in 1.0.0.5, I hope casters will get some substantial buffs to compensate.
My AAR sorcerer can run fast to the last great treasure trove… vindictive flame gets run speed to 135% and warpstone provides the gap closer… OFF/warpfire devastation provide the clear speed to the trove… So that point can be covered.
But trying to get under 30 second kills for nemesis is not going to happen… Can get log in about 35 seconds, but he’s in one spot so that helps aim the beam… Heroes aren’t that strong and can be cleared quickly…big thing is the nemesis clear time. The easiest one to find is one of the hardest to kill for a caster.
I modified my warder last night and re-equipped the open hand/closed fist rings (was testing out some Crowley rings for their AS). My set up, although I didn’t optimize it yet due to lack of time, was this: http://grimcalc.com/build/SEkMV9o (with + skills from gear). Am planning to try to up OA/AS skills some more but haven’t figured out where I want to cut points… Or I may still just stick with what I have as it still kills fast and provides good survivability…
Before I switched I was doing 150k ticks on Fab, but with a more OA/crit damage (and upping laceration) focus build out was getting 350k. Only had time for 3 runs but all three got up there pretty quickly. Did one Log run and was up to 200k+ (not benefitting from guthook belt’s 25% damage vs human I’m assuming). My OA is sitting at 2500 before the rings, BoM and fighting spirit procs… Those laceration crits are big!
Yeah, still not a “top 3” kill time, but still pretty good…
Yeah, I overstated my case a bit, I am so displeased by the state of casters (my favorite ARPG archetype) that I overly discounted their ability to run fast at least lol.
Well, how important is Wendigo to your survival? Could you try getting, say, Dryad for the instant heal + Wolverine for the DA boost. Then reallocate WT points, pushing on to Oleron in Soldier for even more OA (and runspeed for trove running lol.)
lol, I’m displeased too… I was just trying to be funny saying the one thing they can do is run fast and collect a treasure trove…not a very strong selling point for an awesome build…
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Well, how important is Wendigo to your survival? Could you try getting, say, Dryad for the instant heal + Wolverine for the DA boost. Then reallocate WT points, pushing on to Oleron in Soldier for even more OA (and runspeed for trove running lol.)
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Yeah, not sure how import Wendigo is an, especially with Ferial Hunger…but does help… That is one skill I’m looking at switching out…
On the devotion side, that also take away hawk and its OA and crit damage boost, cougar which provide OA and + all damage (although 15% isn’t huge). The OA would be made up for with the Oleron skill though… But I think the biggest hit would be losing assassin’s mark. The dot from a warder (mainly the “megacrit” from laceration) isn’t just bleed, it is also internal trauma which resists vs physical. Assassin’s mark provides a 33% reduction to physical resists (piercing too, but that is mostly lost in my build as it has little piercing damage). The OA can be made up by Oleran and there is a boost to IT damage too from that skill (would probably switch the physical node in the oleron devotion to the IT node). Taking Oleron would also mean removing primal bond and losing the 15% damage absorption and the physical/bleed damage… Would be getting more HP and other attributes from finishing the soldier mastery though…
I’m not an expert on the game mechanics, but to me it appears that the change would result in a net loss of DPS. The “mega” crit really needs high OA to trigger even semi-reliably (was for the current build, although 4 for 4 is a extremely small sample size) and as it is both IT and Bleed damage, it needs both boosted and/or resist reduced… The survivability may increase though I’m not sure if it would be proportional to the loss of DPS. Would mostly depend on how much the Megacrit is affected… Would gain more speed… I do run slow…think I’m only at 120% right now… Blitz helps with mobility…
Huh, your grimcalc didn’t have skillpoints in Primal Bond so I didn’t factor it in my thoughts. I’m not a mechanics expert either (half assed idea guy as advertised in the OP :p) so you might be right, tho Oleron will get you up to 12% OA and provide flat and percentage IT to boot. No Hawk and Panther is obviously not good tho haha, total of 47 flat OA, +3% plus 8% crit. Back of the envelope calcs makes me think you’ll probably come out ahead in OA with an extra 9%. Whether that is offset by the loss of IT resist reduction/8% crit IDK.
You could always back up your save file, try it out, and revert back if it doesn’t work out.
yeah, I noticed I was lacking PB too, but I thought I updated it…must have done something wrong… I think this is right now… http://grimcalc.com/build/HeX2gmG
Yeah, that % OA probably will scale better… I think my % IT is the lowest and therefore would probably benefits more than the % physical and % bleed from PB… Increased DA and HP from mastery points (PB should cover it), dryad and crossroad node could make up for the damage absorption with less hits and crits… Worth a shot! Still not sure if the better OA scaling will make up for the lose of -33% physical resist… That is a pretty big boost to DPS… But only one way to find out!
could try this: http://grimcalc.com/build/bmHFQjk
lets me keep assassin’s mark (hawk and cougar too) and pick up dryad… trading lion and both huntress nodes (one is a nice bleed node though…) But also don’t get the DA from wolverine…
How do I back up a character file? Never messed with that? Do I just copy the saved file somewhere and then copy it back later? Will that mess up loot if I don’t transfer it off first?
