Was theorycrafting on Vanquisher
Then found out that set doesn’t have conversion for Vire, and the transmuter works only with 2h or shield.
And my reaction was like “Wait… WHAT”
Srsly, there should be conversion for Vire on the set, no? 
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You need the MI off-hand for conversion sadly.
Yeah if it’s Vanquisher you’re pretty much getting Zarthuzellan’s book unconditionally.
Shard of the Eternal Flame also exists for non-transmuter Vire conversion if I remember right.
The set has amulet slot already
Its not ok if the set is bounded to use MI off-hand to make one of the main skills work
Why not? I am totally fine with it.
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Right. Forgot about that.
I don’t see the issue. If you’re going to use Vanquisher with Vire’s Might, why wouldn’t you use other easily accessible items that make Fire Vire’s Might stronger?
Even if Zarthuzellan’s Archive didn’t have the conversion, it’d still likely be used by a good chunk (if not all) Vianquisher Vire’s Might builds for the CDR alone.
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The half of the set works only with the exact MI offhand. It means that the choice for offhand is limited to one option. That’s an issue
Should all sets have all conversions on them on the skills they buff?
Well, you could use other off hands if you really want but you’re then making the choice to trade some power on Vire’s Might out for something else, like using Consumption of Agrivix if you want a character using the set to lean towards Burn CT instead.
I think it’s fine having other non-set pieces synergize with sets than having them act as fully functional by themselves. Several other sets get more of their power from outside contributing items.
Dedicated sets for dedicated skills? I don’t see a reason, why not, or you want to play some finest fire Kalastor with Octavius?
I would like to see more options then one offhand to convert Vire.
Shield + skill transmuter. Problem solved
They exist, they just don’t involve using Vanquisher’s set. I did a campaign farmer for it sometime ago using Stonefather + Shard of the Eternal Flame for instance.
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Let me know, if you find shield with the same useful stats for caster as off-hand
I don’t see a reason, why are you arguing that much against such logical conversion on the set?
- Because I think its fine as it is
- Because there is no problem in getting that MI off-hand
- Because changing the set would require another round of imbalance and patches, I just want the game to be finished.
Just throwing it out there, Stonefather gets pretty good CDR as well. The Shieldbreaker I put together gets 22% base, could squeeze a bit more out with above average rolls.
Don’t fix what isn’t broken? Vanquisher VM builds are already in a good place as of now.
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imo, this can be any further from thuth as it is now. there’s actually ONE working build on Vanquisher set (VM Templar) and it’s not OP. CT part of the set is piece of genial gamedesign. So adding conversion to the set seems really adequate change.
I’d say transmuter requirment is a bit annoying. I’d rather have transmuter offer total damage modified for 2handers and shields and have physical converted elsewhere.
Because right now transmuter doesn’t really boost 2h Vire or S&B Vire gameplay and imo it should.
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what does even “working” means?