Is it worth using something to lower enemy resist to speed things up?
So damage wise, it is just auto attack until then?
I had zero trouble starting out reflection/retaliation damage right out of the gate. Max briarthorn, go wolverine, hound, lizard, messangerof war. By 20ās my pet and myself were doing 1100 reflection damage, get oak skin maxed and a point in wendigo asap after briarthorn.
I experimented with that a bit but by the time I experimented with it I was doing 40k+ (and now 100k+) damage and most things in ultimate get 1 shotted with that. I am curious if it would prove better using reflect with ranged though. Iād be interested in testing this idea. If we lower resists and use procs that compliment it, they may prove quite useful as well, especially in ult.
Badnews, lost my level 82 HC warder to a massive double crit, the first one triggering all 3 of my circuit breakers and the second one finishing me off with a 16k hit, thankfully I have a sc level 40 warder.
Thatās rough. Great attitude though.
Doh!
That sucks man. Sorry to hear that. Not easy losing a HC character, especially a lvl 82. Grieving time for that one. Chance to crit on Hetzer is 0% against all ultimate mobs and mob bosses. What was your DA (if you remember)? 16k crit is brutal. Most damage I ever took 7027 from Ultimate Loghorrean in B30. Since then they greatly increased armor and I havenāt received that much damage since the last two updates.
Welp. time to add him in your signature hall of fame for hardcore deaths lol. Lvl 82, Heās definitely worthy.
boss got lucky and was using Fire, my % resistance was around 45 or so, got hit by meteors and chunked, DA was up there.
share savefile pls
Seconded. It would be nice to try these builds for a few minutes before taking the time to level one.
Hello again, another devotion question 
Why not max out Targo the Builder for reflect, armor increase and shield block proc? Seems like the uptime would be good with grasping vines at 33%
I went ahead and specced into it, binding it to Savagery, it really makes a world of difference when it comes to casters and ranged mobs, I will skip out of lion, 4%hp + 100hp seems like a fair trade, no?
BTW, loving the spec! Will use it to gear my blademaster 
I use another variation of the devotions also utilizing the full targo which i find extremely good, as long as you can keep your resists up with gear instead. I would say i am close to perfectly geared, so might be a problem unless your gear is there. (canāt kill the god tho FeelsBadMan)
I have also changed out the skills a bit, since i am never in any danger and only have 1 point in menhirs will. Instead i use tenacity of the boar and war cry. Insane health regen with this variation which means i run around taking no dmgā¦ can allmost kill chtonian nemesis and sharzul without using any spells, although at some point i need to put down a wendigo totem when healing rain wears outā¦
Post #150 explains this. Basically I needed the +10 spirit to equip a couple amulets I couldnāt have otherwise. The health increases my HP pool high enough that menhirās will is guaranteed to activate, for details and the rest, see post #150. 
Is there anywhere a Devotion-Guide for this build?
Not a step-by-step guide but the devotions are mapped out on the first page. Basically until lvl 40 do whatever youād like as long as you stay within the mastery bar limitations. At level 40 Iād start respeccin for retaliation. You want to head to messenger of war first and you donāt have any devotion manipulation like you do with other characters, just get the ones shown in the order it will let you.
Thanks, this help me enough to find the right way.
Hey got another one haha would tenacity of the boar outweigh mogdrogens pact point for point especially at high level where the % regen would be best
Tried a similar idea. Here are my results (this is outside of combat).
All items, as you can see, are not rares; nothing needs to be āfoundā in that sense (i.e. no need to look for certain rares or craft them).
Also, I didnāt like having so much armor, so I had to change some devotions around and focus on something other than piercing. Also, I preferred having different kinds of damages instead of just sticking to acid and pierce for the most part. You can see yourself (thereās also physical retaliation of about 2k that you canāt see in screenie).
I changed quite a bit around on devotions, tooāI wanted to make sure I got the most out of survivability (hence lower armor and higher defense and lower health, but higher HP regenāabout 900 or something with overguard).
This is what the setup looks like with items (since thereās no point in doing it without the item bonuses): http://grimcalc.com/build/oLVItf
Yes, there are a couple points wasted, but nothing I could do there.
Sorry for small pictures. I think I over estimated how much I scaled them down, lol. Oh and with the devotion ability that jacks up retaliation damages, it goes to 50k, lightning to 84.4k, Acid to 4.3k, and Iām not sure what vitality goes up to (guessing prob another couple thousand on the min and max end). This is also with level 1 devotions, and there are seven auras up: three come from items, the rest from class. So far, one of the highest crit damages I have had is 110k. Not sure if it goes higher, but thatās what I got as my top after I geared the char up and ran around for half an hour.
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Looks like a nice one Lucid, I luckily just dropped The Final Stop, earlier today from a shrine half asleep, was happy enough to wake me completely up when I saw it on the ground.
Lol, congrats.
And yeah, the most this char has taken in damage (one hit) is a flat 2100. Basically unbeatable in 1 on 1, despite resists not being all maxed out. Nothing can really hurt it
I find the Final Stop to be not the best of all shields, but thatās strictly build-dependent. Still, itās a vital item in making a retaliation char in general. From there, you can experiment. I find that Final Stop lowers my total retaliation damage, so I chose not to take it. I still need to figure out how to increase my poison and acid damage resistance, though (not to mention chaosā¦). I donāt want to make too may sacrifices, but it probably wonāt matter because my reflect damage is high, and anything that kills me, kill itself in the process.
Let me know how your build comes along, tooāitās always good to know how other people make it to better understand the build.
Edit - I can share my save file if people really want it, but only after I change its name and change its items around so that everyone isnāt running around with clones of me. (And Iām hoping if I do keep the original paper dollāmeaning, if I share it with a certain few peopleāthat thereās someone who can optimize the char and give me some feedback to make it better in the direction that I was building.) But I wonāt do this if thereās no demand for it.
Edit 2 - Okay, as I understand there are a bunch of peeps interested in this build, and seeing how itās a trade secret, Iāve made the modifications necessary to not feel as a clone of my own. And in that case, itās ready to be shared with everyone. For the interested, Iāll tell you what Iāve changed: more defense, less offense (about 15-20k less damage, but with near max resists and slightly higher DA). I think this is a good trade-off to feel what power its capable of. The only weakness there is one of low chaos resist, but I think thatās acceptable. Itās the same char as mine, but this version has had a few items swapped out and the nameās been changed. Should still be highly playable, and should survive better with acid damage, but may be a bit slower with killing. If youāre smart, youāll figure out what youāre missing to make it as offensive as my own character at the cost of acid resistance. Have fun, and let me know how it goes. (For those unfamiliar, press āYā to go to the second quickbar and to turn on the buffs before going out to kill stuff. The rest you should be able to figure out.)