Zero CD Shadow Strike?

[Superfluff]

The penalty is quite small. The -75% on primal strike still leaves you with over 200% weapon damage (it’s not total damage). SS is similar, and gives you 100% chance to dual strike.

That said, I think this would be a very difficulty thing to balance, as I do not believe the penalty applies to the extended skills linked to SS.

EDIT: I would be cool with it. But balancing it will be difficult.

…and -13% crit dmg? It’s no longer shadow strike it’s shadow strike it’s shadow nuissance (for the monster).

anyway ,still more damage than CT i guess but it will never happen, teleporting all over the place ll the time:D Unlike Blitz you are invulnerable while in SS mode. On;y targeted skeletal monsters traps can stop you

[Chthon]

Nightfall says hi Chthon. seriously you don’t see how broken this would be in skilled hands. oh you dove into a pack of three heroes? nightfall put them all to sleep long enough to escape out.

also what 1v1 fights? the only one in the game is versus ravager, everyone else has minions you can use to warp to and leach hp off of.

Tbh I wasn’t even aware that Sleep works on anyone

As for bosses if you want to kill the boss then you have to focus on the boss and that should definitely put a dent in the “nigh-invulnerability”
Act Bosses like Zaria, Ekket’Zul and Lucius, Nemesis bosses, End game bosses like Lokarr, Shar’Zul and Alkamos

Also another idea would be to put it on a damage type that cannot be used by the infamous Arcanist class
Pierce, Physical seem like safe enough damage types tbh

also -18% damage modified and -75% weapon damage doesnt mean shit to a skill that can get 400% weapon damage.

Oh God damn it
I thought it was obvious the values aren’t set in stone as I literally cut-pasted the Primal Strike trasnmuter values. I edited the main post to make that bit more clear

@Superfluff
Ground targeted movement a.k.a Teleportation will never be added to the game as it allows you to access areas that should be beyond your reach under normal circumstances
For example you could go over the Aetherial barrier before even killing Krieg (but murdered shortly after :))

[Superfluff]

Oh God damn it
I thought it was obvious the values aren’t set in stone as I literally cut-pasted the Primal Strike trasnmuter values. I edited the main post to make that bit more clear

I know what you want, for the same reasons i used Alkamos ss, SS and chaos strike while leveling to feel cool zipping around. but whatever values you put for the transmuter, even -100% total damage or smth it would still be borken

[Chthon]

smth it would still be borken

Hmm, I guess it’s because I give little importance to crowds that I can’t see why this would be the case as in boss fights it kinda evens out imo. I guess this means that even a new SS type skill w/o any CD would be broken judging by comments from you and anarchist

So how about Zero CD blitz?

On a side note, by 2h SS I am reminded that Nightshade’s reach needs fixing. Currently the transmuter is shitter than the one found on a 1h Rift dagger. So basically DW Acid SS>>Nightshade which should be looked into

[uuujiiib]

Personally I would be down for a 2h ‘belgo relic’ (or ‘eternity’) maybe giving +1 to shaman.

Ultos druid meta confirmed.

[Superfluff]

so basically DW Acid SS>>Nightshade which should be looked into

Dear lord and how.

Also tried some DEE+ Ravenous earth or NDJE+RE combos wit relevant gear and it’s not that strong. Nothing(acid-poison wise) can beat WH 2x rr skills and 100% converted second rite

[Chthon]

Dear lord and how.

Also tried some DEE+ Ravenous earth or NDJE+RE combos wit relevant gear and it’s not that strong. Nothing(acid-poison wise) can beat WH 2x rr skills and 100% converted second rite

Huh? I am not even talking about DG blade WH

I am saying the skill mod on Nightshade is weaker than the skill mod found on Riftscourge slicer

https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/9424

https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/8472

The nightshade skill mod is pretty weak if you ask me, not to mention with proper rolls the slicer can easily outdo Nightshade

I am fine if DW>2h playstyle but the difference in power here is a little too much and should be addressed

[bystander]

…and -13% crit dmg? It’s no longer shadow strike it’s shadow strike it’s shadow nuissance (for the monster).

anyway ,still more damage than CT i guess but it will never happen, teleporting all over the place ll the time:D Unlike Blitz you are invulnerable while in SS mode. On;y targeted skeletal monsters traps can stop you

-75% of 330% weapon damage on 2 weapons, even with -13% crit, is not going to make it go from super powerful to a nuisance. It would still be the most powerful single target near default attack. Especially with the invulnerability nature of it. Remember those 0 CDR SS builds in the past? They sacrificed tons of damage to do it, and it was still considered way over powered.

[Chthon]

Remember those 0 CDR SS builds in the past?

This predates me
Was it really as broken as anarchist and fluff are suggesting?

And bystander my suggestion is now only limited to 2h weapons

[Ceno]

Was it really as broken as anarchist and fluff are suggesting?

It had the highest cleartimes by a margin of orders-of-magnitude quicker.

Take from that what you will.

0CD SS is broken not just because of exceptionally high damage. It instantly trivializes any distance in the game and becomes the de-facto farming method just by virtue of raw movement capability.

[Evil_Baka]

This predates me
Was it really as broken as anarchist and fluff are suggesting?

I only recall Steelflame’s CDR SS Breaker. According to the guide, with perfect gear it could get Shadow Strike down to a cooldown of 0.4s.

However, one of the updates afterwards changed Nidalla’s Justifiable Ends from a % reduction to Shadow Strike’s cooldown to a flat reduction which effectively broke the build (according to the creator).

[bystander]

This predates me
Was it really as broken as anarchist and fluff are suggesting?

And bystander my suggestion is now only limited to 2h weapons

I think it should be reduced in damage and made dual wield if anything. Soldier and shaman already have 2h only transmuters. There should be a dual wield version too. Nightblade is build around dual wield after all.

[actuanpanda]

Nice, what should we call it? Shadow Slap?

[Strannik]

Nice, what should we call it? Shadow Slap?

Hm, maybe Shadow Runner (+500% movement speed)?

P.S: Ah, it reminded me one video. Hope you will get some fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObTCcW89lIw.

[Chthon]

the de-facto farming method just by virtue of raw movement capability.

So no amount of damage penalty can fix this?

[Strannik]

So no amount of damage penalty can fix this?

It would be great and appreciated much if someone good familiar with modding to play around with this concept of modifier and provide the feedback.

Thanks & regards,
Strannik

[Chthon]

It would be great and appreciated much if someone good familiar with modding to play around with this concept of modifier and provide the feedback.

That’s why I asked Ceno. Since he’s one of the two people working on Cornucopia