The % weapon damage component of all the spells/devotions is really low and is basically a footnote. This is actually doubly so with a Plaguebearer over a Dagger because Plaguebearer is physical damage with minor acid conversion, while the relevant daggers are 100% acid damage and thus benefit from you resist reductions and other bonuses.
*OK, to be fair, Dreeg’s dagger is chaos damage, not acid, so plaguebearer might give a little more damage due -resists.
And, yeah, 95% resist would do it.
I’ve considered dual wielding the Dreeg Dagger with a Plaguebearer for the additional -poison res proc, but in practice, the Wretched Tome spell has a few other advantages - it creates a large AoE cloud, which means it blasts targets that spawn/move in after the initial barrage; and it’s the best remaining spell I have for proccing Guardian Gaze (I put Manticore on Curse of Frailty).
Not sure a near 10% end damage difference was a footnote to you or not, but in any aspects of main-hand weapon damage for spells, Plaguebearer wins.
The Tome’s stats & spell is indeed tempting. However, it’s high spirit req would force me to give up some defensive and even impact my total damage output (DW Plaguebear + D-Dagger still wins in the total damage increasing). Since I can kill 95% enemies with 3 spells, I will not bother to add 1 more in sacrifice of others performance. It’s just me, tho.
That’s because of the Plaguebearer’s poison DoT stat. The actual weapon damage is almost irrelevant, as you can see by the acid damage comparison.
Going from 1282 to 1485 when your DoT is going to hit for ~4000+ damage per second? It’s a foot note. 200 damage in the sea of tens of thousands. Your weapon could have a base damage of 1 and you wouldn’t even notice the difference in your kill speed.
Not sure what you mean by acid damage comparison. In this part Plaguebearer still > D-dagger.
Again I don’t understand this comparison…
I was comparing the efficiency of 2 different “weapons” (and it is clear that Plaguebearer wins both on acid/poison DoT damages), yet you are comparing 2 different “damage types”.
Could you explain your argument?
I am not comparing damage types, I am pointing out that the base damage isn’t a relevant part of the argument between the two weapon choices.
Plague Bearer’s primary advantage is the dot affix and the special resist/poison proc, and yes, it’s better in the main hand over Dreeg Dagger. But it’s not because it makes the % weapon damage component of your spells hit harder. The increase from that is essentially non-existent and should not be part of the consideration.
If I understand correctly, you were suggesting that Plaguebearer’s damage ““capability”” is actually lower than D-dagger without the -resists factor, yes? Therefore, I disproved such claim with plain paper damage comparison.
Yet your argument is “the base damage isn’t relevant.”???
When it comes to pursue of damage, I think nobody (including me) would ONLY consider 1 factor (in this case: weapon damage), but the sum of all factors (end damage). As I stated in #62:
““Not sure a near 10% end damage difference was a footnote to you or not, but in any aspects of main-hand weapon damage for spells, Plaguebearer wins.””
Which is why I don’t quite understand what your reply means.
Devotions
These are the selected devotions. After completing the important ones, I expent the remaining points in some useful devotions. Lets the the points:
Crossroads (+5% HP): 2 points
Affliction: 3 points => Veil of Shadow
Empty Throne: 4 points
Rat: 4 points
Akeron’s Skorpion: 5 points
Eye of the Guardian: 5 points => Curse of Frailty
Spider: 5 points
Tortoise: 5 points => Possesion
Vultura: 5 points
Abomination: 6 points => Shadow Strike
Manticore: 6 points => Dreeg’s Evil Eye
I dont understnad your Devotions guide. Help me pls!.
How can i add Affliction ?:undecided:
It’s need 4 Ascendant, 3 Chaos and 4 Eldritch.:eek:
You can get them both, augment vise. In veteran and elite chose one max rep, stack augments and than on ulti take other one. I started with Kymon switched to Vigil on ulti.
very nice guide. playing a poisonmancer feels good, nice killspeed (while leveling) and when im not to greedy i don’t die often.
but got some questions
why do u over level COF, Vulnerability, Aspect of Guardian and put more then 1 point in Vile Eruption?
would prefer this
h.ttp://grimcalc.com/build/hGdWOIC (remove first .)
(this would include your +skills)
or doing more points in shadow dance and 1 point in ring of steel (+ring of frost)
emporewed tome of plague (miasma) instead of Fiends Resolve ?!
It provides flat OA, 2+ DEE (mine got DEE) and some HP
We have to put more points in Guardian… but k
well it has no acid dmg but more PSN Dmg then a Fiends Resolve (which is capped at 130% acid/psn i think)
possible replacement for one ring of the black matriarch:
Empowered Ring of Vile Intent
Empowered-Ring-of-Eternal-Rot
they got better stats i think… if you have enough Pierce Resistance
I’m not playing Grim dawn at the moment, but, let me answer you.
I overlevel those skills because they are debuff skills, witch reduce enemies’ resistances (better than % damage). I put a few points in vile eruption just to add a few more damage (I know it’s acid damage. You can put those points away if you don’t like the skill).
I don’t use empowered tome of plagues. Fiends resolve is way better in my opinion because of the passive.
I changed the black matriarch rings for Open Hand of Mercy and the other set item. It has been nerfed in the last patch, but it’s still usefull.
yeah i know they are debuff skills. but the scaling above lvl 10 is kinda horrible
radius increase 2.1m
we dont do any bleed/phys dmg
and vulnerability gets -2% from lvl 10 - 16
thats not very much i think
for 13 skill points.
ty for the ring change
gonna looking forward for some gear
Would love to try something like this , I have no Dreeg armour items yet , have not played too long , but do have fiends resolve and yesterday the runed dagger dropped so think the game is telling me to start this
Could I ask , what sort of gear do you use while levelling please is it mainly poison damage ? To help things go smoothly which relics would be good for levelling too , thanks
Also what attribute spread please , thanks a lot .
