[1.0.0.6.] DW Blademaster with 0 physique/spirit

[system]

Could you do a quick point spending leveling guide for this build? WOuld be greatly appreciated! Unless I didn’t see it somewhere, in which case just point me to it. Thanks!

[JoV]

JoV, what would the consequences be if we went as much physique as possible with this character, like 75 or so into phy? Would the survivability affect us nicely? How bad would the OA drop and how good the DA would rise?

Less dps, about 450 OA less, about that much DA more, survivalbility would be better ofc how much cant make correct assessment cuz your main defense is ADCTH and since you would have less dmg…

[JoV]

Could you do a quick point spending leveling guide for this build? WOuld be greatly appreciated! Unless I didn’t see it somewhere, in which case just point me to it. Thanks!

Skill points or devotions or both?
It depends weather you want to go DW from start or 2H blade arc.

[system]

I’m sorry for the lack of clarification. With both devotion and skills would be great. I would like to go DW from the start. Would hate to muck it up trying to figure it out and become dumpster.

[duabijitelur]

Skill points or devotions or both?
It depends weather you want to go DW from start or 2H blade arc.

Devotions if its possible to step by step

[Empyrea]

Less dps, about 450 OA less, about that much DA more, survivalbility would be better ofc how much cant make correct assessment cuz your main defense is ADCTH and since you would have less dmg…

We’d also be getting critted less tho, right? Maybe even not getting critted at all by big bosses? Would it maybe become crucible viable then?

[JoV]

I’m sorry for the lack of clarification. With both devotion and skills would be great. I would like to go DW from the start. Would hate to muck it up trying to figure it out and become dumpster.

Second one, the one I use is going DW from start, its a bit slower but you will get more fun out of it and also get familiar with your aimed setup and game play. Take cadence from soldiers mastery, dual blades from NB mastery. Go all the way to nights chill or blade barrier if you want in NB mastery, take PB and max nights chill, optionally put one point into blade barrier. After that rush to deadly momentum in soldiers mastery max it. In the process you can take some soldiers passives you find fitting. Than fill soldiers mastery and take Olerons rage. Yo can also invest some points in field command/squad tactic. After that go back to NB mastery take Blade barrier if you didnt tok it earlier and rush to execution and blade spirit.
And that’s pretty much it.

Devotions if its possible to step by step

Start with assassins blade your next target are blades of naadan after that go for oleron than assassin on end unknown soldier.
Or U can go unknown soldier first and oleron on end

We’d also be getting critted less tho, right? Maybe even not getting critted at all by big bosses? Would it maybe become crucible viable then?

You are not being crited much if any even with 0 phys setup if you make it defensive like this:

This is defensive setup of the build:

*Note that I changed pants, sacrificed some OA and dps but gained DA, more ADCTH, HP, and armor.

I finished crucible even with more offensive setup than on pic.
Stating that I must add that DW BM is not reliable crucible farmer.

[Sa10]

what is the playstyle to kill the mad queen? i have similar configuration, but like 20k less dps and 2k less hp, i cant facetank her, but sometimes i get heavy damage from her, sometimes i can easy tank her, what is the key there?

[JoV]

what is the playstyle to kill the mad queen? i have similar configuration, but like 20k less dps and 2k less hp, i cant facetank her, but sometimes i get heavy damage from her, sometimes i can easy tank her, what is the key there?

She can be randomly bursty watch on her aura and you should be fine.

[JoV]

I just did some testing on Mad queen but before I have to write something more.

Sidenote: This is not complaining/crying or w/e I will just write some numbers

When I made that setup in 1.0.0.6 after final polishing time on dummy was 28s due to nerfs in 1.0.0.7 that time went on 32s, finally now in 1.0.0.8 dummy time is 37s. You can do the math and calculate real single target dps lost from 1.0.0.6 to 1.0.0.8, not to mention that build lost fear chunk of AoE also due to nerfs. (this is related to offensive setup posted in guide I made).

Since 1.0.0.7 I switched to defensive setup of the build, defensive setup of the build needs 39s in 1.0.0.8 to put the dummy down. Reason for switching to def setup was that I dont find offensive setup 100% reliable any more.

For references I compared defensive BM setup and SJ elementalist. In 1.0.0.8 Sj elementalist needs 36s secs to kill the dummy so it has upper hand in single target dmg output. Comparing of AoE never was an issue cuz SJ elementalist wins in that department by huge margin. Also crucible performances are not comparable, SJ elementalist is probably tier1 crucible farmer dw BM in best situation have some 50% success rate.

So basically thing I was comparing was vanilla game performances. I picked Mad Queen as a reference cuz its arguably hardest boss in vanilla game.

BM def setup performances:

1.0.0.7 Killed MQ 5 times in row w/o need to blade barrier, facetanked 100% of the time average kill time ~17 secs, w/o even slight chance to die.

1.0.0.8 Killed MQ 4 times, died 1 time, 2 times needed to BB. Average kill time 25 sec, survivalbility was hanging on the edge in every fight.

SJ elementalist

1.0.0.8 Killed MQ 5 times, facetanked 100% of the time, w/o even slight chance to die, average kill time 17 secs.

Pictures of the builds:

In closing

Are the DW BMs viable in 1.0.0.8 in classic meaning of that word? Yes they are.
Do they shine even with best gear possible in any aspect of game play? No, they are vastly out shined by many builds in all aspects of game play.

Personal conclusion: DW BMs went long way from hero to zero, welcome to new casters meta GD.

[Chthon]

Personal conclusion: DW BMs went long way from hero to zero, welcome to new casters meta GD.

Thanks for taking the time to to assess things. I need to ask do you think Mark of Divinity would add to BMs?

And i am assuming new DW Meta goes to Sabos and Witch Hunters?

1.0.0.9 - Stun Jacks -“We notice this skill is performing a little too well and in light of the complaints from blademasters that stun jacks is outperforming them we believe the correct thing to do is slightly reduce the overall potential of the skill”

Keyword - “Slightly” :rolleyes:

[JoV]

Thanks for taking the time to to assess things. I need to ask do you think Mark of Divinity would add to BMs?

And i am assuming new DW Meta goes to Sabos and Witch Hunters?

1.0.0.9 - Stun Jacks -“We notice this skill is performing a little too well and in light of the complaints from blademasters that stun jacks is outperforming them we believe the correct thing to do is slightly reduce the overall potential of the skill”

Keyword - “Slightly” :rolleyes:

If you change devo setup and use manticore yes.
About new meta, there is no such thing as DW meta any more imho. Anything DW builds can do some other builds can do better so no reason at all to go DW.

[Chthon]

If you change devo setup and use manticore yes.
About new meta, there is no such thing as DW meta any more imho. Anything DW builds can do some other builds can do better so no reason at all to go DW.

Come on? I still think WH and Sabo should be fine going DW.

Not to mention non-Nightblade Dual-wields you can make

Saying DW meta is dead is a bit of a stretch don’t you think?

Your statement seems true for DW BMs though anything a BM can do i think some other class combo could pull it off much better. They turned the class to what they did to Battlemages only it seems much worse

[JoV]

Come on? I still think WH and Sabo should be fine going DW.

Not to mention non-Nightblade Dual-wields you can make

Saying DW meta is dead is a bit of a stretch don’t you think?

Your statement seems true for DW BMs though anything a BM can do i think some other class combo could pull it off much better. They turned the class to what they did to Battlemages only it seems much worse

Well if you find some DW build that can outperform casters or hybrid build I will change my mind gladly.

[Chthon]

Well if you find some DW build that can outperform casters or hybrid build I will change my mind gladly.

Will do that come expansion. (Still think you’re wrong though)

No intention of playing this stupid patch, i had intentions to quit anyway since i had done almost everything in the game and probably would’ve just logged in to play for 10-15 minutes. Last thing i want is to install this ridiculous joke of a patch and make those 10-15 minutes frustrating

Lets see what the expansion adds, i am hoping something that can help us with the nerfs

[korsar]

lol Are you leaving a game?? This is sad news…

[Chthon]

lol Are you leaving a game?? This is sad news…

Nothing to do with the patch i have done pretty much everything in the game besides make a Deathmark Blademaster which sadly can’t be done anymore (thanks guys).
The game’s still good imo (amazing lore, great atmosphere and music) and i have plans to return with the expansion but i won’t post anymore builds if this continues to be Crate’s nerf policy
I will linger around the forums.

[efil4rennug]

My 2nd post.

I have come to pay my respects.

[JoV]

My 2nd post.

I have come to pay my respects.

Thx, it means a loot to me

[Buddy]

Hey Jov, just out of curiosity, what are the main builds currently that you are talking about? Not like I’m going to go out and roll one right away lol. I just happened to come back to the game just mere days before the patch hit. Was going to roll a BM because that’s what I had fun with last time but after seeing what everyone was saying that was going to happen to them (and it did) I went and rolled something else. Currently workin on Jaja’s build (http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42521) as my first toon and it’s pretty damn strong so far. Had a commando build going but it just got too slow for me without some better gear and this guy kills faster so I’m leveling him up for a farmer purpose. I can’t stand casters. So what are these hybrid builds that are currently meta?