Then why are you asking? It reads in the patch notes that Bartholem gavel now has +2 summon limit
+4 just means + to skill ranks. It has had +4 to GoE for ages.
Yea, I realise my mistake - summons vs summons limit
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But, I have to say that I now have 6 Immortal Guardians as opposed to the 5 I had the last time I played my Immortal Army build.
You already did say it
Sorry - old age dementia kicking in 
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This is a super fun build. I’m still pretty newb at the game, but if I didn’t want to do the spinny thingy what would be a good substitute?
When should i stop leveling at crucible and switch to main campain? im now lvl26
Welcome to the forum. 
It’s pretty clear in the levelling guide
As soon as you reach Blade Spirits switch back to the campaign.
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26 is more than enough, you probably have 10+ devotion points unlocked now. I’d jump into the main campaign now and kill the warden asap, only stopping to grab the shrines and do main quests. The next massive upgrade is the mace.
Yes, nowadays it’s 6 Guardians (24/16) and 3 Blade Spirits (24/16), making a total of 10 invincible pets with the deathstalker
0 devotion points, because i’m in crucible. Maybe i don’t know something about crucible, but devotion points aren’t earned there, or are they? I thought i still need to visit all shrines, like you said “only stopping to grab the shrines”. Or by saying “unlocked” you mean i am leveled enough to visit shrines and have 10+ points after visiting them?
You can buy them with Tributes. I think 3 Tributes for each point up to 5 then it increases to 5 Tributes for each. Not entirely sure since it’s been a while since I started a character and did that to help them level and jump start the game.
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Yes, first 5 cost 3 points, next 5 - 5 points, then 10 points and so on. So getting first 5-10 devotion points will take you anywhere between 5 to 14 completions of the first 10 waves. And with this build you can easily do those half asleep while listening to music for half an hour.
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I would implement this concept in a way like this:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/q2MQ8X12
It indeed can be considered one of the laziest builds in the game.
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Really fun build. I’m now lvl 48 with 6 guardians and 2 blade spirits. On normal i just Eye_of_the_reckoning’ing through everything while summons mostly one-shotting everyone. On veteran is harder because i can feel incoming damage very good compared to normal where damage is almost unnoticable.
Edit1. Only problem is with devotions, cant decide which to pick. This topic has different variants, hard to choose.
Edit2.Decided to go something like this https://www.grimtools.com/calc/8NKDDOj2
As far as i realised, attack damage converted to health on my summons heals me because they are invincible, so with this build i’m losing heal from Twin fangs, which i dont have bonuses while going phys/fire damage
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How do you deal with reflect damage in this build? All the damage the pets do to reflect monsters comes back to you.
Not sure at the moment, back when I made the build you could reach 30% reduction via devotions and then 2 augments, and a couple more items and it was fine overall. Early on, you only have the devotions, but every little bit helps.
Looking at the options available, it appears that using titan plating for 66% reduction as well as the rebuke skill in the oathkeeper should bring it to over 90%. That should feel comfy.
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So I had a similar idea and leveled entirely SSF in HC with(a slight variant of) this build, just after I lost my SSF HC conjurer (to overconfidence by pulling entire SR boss room).
And I found this post and the reddit post as well and saw a lot of people claiming this build isn’t beginner friendly, which is completely false - the core item from early levels is the harmer that gives you +2 guardians and you don’t necessarily need the magi helm. You don’t even need blade spirits till much later. In fact, I still haven’t found the conduit and I’m doing very fine with blade spirits not fully converted.
Assuming SSF, I’m going to claim that this build levels MUCH faster than pet conjurer based on my recent experience. Why? Killing speed is comparable but dervish clears campaign at lightspeed with 3 movement skills (have you ever tried shadowstrike a target at the corner of your screen and save almost 10 seconds of walking because of terrain?). The only issue with this build is survival as you have to tank some, but I only start to feel it in ultimate.
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Hello. Does the Kraken constellation work for summons (as they scale with player bonuses) or it works only for character itself? Thanks.
Also, Barthollem drops only fire version of Gavel. No Poison or else one? Does it actually still drop?