i have no gear for either at endgame but got lucky with a stonefist rebuke on my similar level commando. SF legit(no save scum/gdstash/trade etc…) account only 2 L50’s characters so gear is a problem. Cadence seems like it would be good right now with my basic gear to get into ultimate, while Savagery is better when/if i can find all the endgame gear(bloodrager/avenger etc… ) Should i respec to cadence? I’m mostly physical right now as is. Also Primal bond is so I don’t die and give me bigger time buffer to get out/heal. I will have less OA for sure.
My devotions are different to link, i have falcon swoop and sailors right now instead of dire bear. Last played with falcon swoop in B31 and it was OP as shit back then, now its neutered but still ok but i think I will switch it to dire bear.
Also last 10 devotions? Was thinking Revenant/ghoul, thoughts?
If you want to go lightning, definitely get Widow for the Arcane Bomb and the OA.
For leveling with Stonefist Rebuke, I think transmuted Forcewave would be optimal, as the weapon gives huge bonuses to internal trauma, flat physical, and cast speed
I went a slightly odd direction, wanting to max both blitz and forcewave, so I went with savagery. you can get more out of it with less points. it also has a mroe defensive setup with tenacity of the boar.
it really depends on which direction you’d like to go. From what I’ve heard, Cadence has the best offensive results, but thats due to Deadly momentum packing a whallop. If your going pure physical, cadence is the way to go. savagery is better if your going lightning/phys. Both are solid and will scale just fine.
This is purely a Physical/Bleed build, I won’t go lightning.
I already have a L100 character using jajaja’s lightning 2H Warder build on my other account. Its way better than physical/bleed for sure but more squishy, also irrelevant to my questions.
Its highly unlikely I’ll legitimately find full Bloodrager set and Avenger belt/weapon to finish the build with savagery. Cadence vs Savagery with no gear going mostly physical with some bleed is the question. Other than 8% physical resist, Savagery doesn’t have a lot going for it with my gear. Lightning is useless and bleed is pretty bad.
Forcewave is good but I want either Cadence or Savagery.
Savagery pros
8% Physical resist
Full use of Feral Hunger
Easier to get decent OA/DA/regen with tenacity in trash gear
Small AS boost(wouldn’t max tho)
Cadence pros
BOATLOAD of flat physical damage from deadly momentum and main skill is more suited, easier to buff damage further with trash gear.
Somewhat higher average weapon damage in trash gear, will kill bosses faster surely.
mhm, I doubt that Cadence will give better damage output compared to Savagery. Due to Attack Speed and OA boost of Savagery you should out-DPS cadence by miles. Okay, not by miles, but at least by a fair bit, even in trash gear. Along with the PhysRes bonus, and the transmuter, Savagery should be superior especially with 2h weapon
Cadence does surprising amounts of damage. it’s biggest limitation is it takes more points, and it wont proc WPS skills 1/3 of the time.
I think that Ultimately if you are going phys all the way (perhaps a bit of bleed), and want to max your default skill, cadence is a solid choice. I think savagrey is a bit more flexible, you get more out of less points, especially with the 2h transmute.
For attack speed I prefer squad tactics over Storm touched in a phys build. it synergizes better. Some folks take Oleron’s Rage, but Overall if you compare it and Primal Bond, Primal bond is just too good. defensive stats, main damage stats. Oleron’s is trauma and peirce. worth it if your building that direction, but for a standard phys build, I personally think that Primal tops it. The absorbition and constitution are almost necessary on a 2h build.
I decided to go with tenacity of the boar instead of Field command as past 5 poitns or so it actually gives you better OA then Field Command, and similar DA, and I prefer the health regen over the armor. if you go cadence though, Field command will probably be your go to for extra OA. and Don’t be afraid to put extra points in Fighting spirit. It ends up being up at real good times (at the beginning of a fight), and really boosts your OA (something that seems to be tough to get on a phys 2h build for some reason…at least for me it does).
Mythical Warborn Helm is BiS IMO unless you are specifically going for the bleed set. it’s +1 to soldier plus the reduction on warcry CD means Break Morale is up almost full time.
My devotion tree on that warder above is still in process… I wanted to run with Oleron a bit to see how it fared as a constellation…amazing damage potential, but takes a big bite out of your flexibility in the tree. I’ll see if I plan on keeping it or not. lots of damage though.
Savagery all the way, you’re probably going to be putting points into Feral Hunger/Upheaval and those are MUCH worse with Cadence. 2H Cadence has always felt abysmally slow tome, and the AS on Savagery helps a lot with this feeling.
Excellent points. Feral/Upheaval are king with a 2h’er.
A quick note on weapon: If you don’t have any of the kings of 2h (leviathan and avengers are really BiS) Mythical tremor is a potent sleeper. As a blue it outdamages Mythical Stonefist by about 5k on another 2h builds I’ve been playing, and it’s 2 levels lower, and a blue! amazing weapon for damage. Stonefist’s advantage are the +skills, and the physical defense, which can help out allot. but if your short on gear, Tremor is pretty nice.
Yeah I don’t have any of those weapons, just the standard stonefist. I did respec to cadence in the end and it was so much faster initally, things are pretty slow now though as I haven’t found an upgrade in gear in 20 levels. Either way going back to savagery as I really need tenacity’s extra OA.
I’ve got 55/55 devotions now but don’t know if I should go all out physical, ( upto Oleron’s ) or stick to what I was going to do. ( Mid tier constellations, Revenant, ghoul, dire bear, rend, etc… )
My bleed is pretty bad right now, rend is just a debuff at this point. Playing this and all i can think about is why aren’t I just playing Jajaja’s lightning Warder… And killing 300% faster with better AoE in trash gear…
I’d go for the bleed devotions (huntress, Mogdrogen, Berserker) and pick up an Axe. Just take the highest damaging 2h Axe you can find. You’ll still have decent phys damage from Kraken and Berserker and really strong bleed procs
On a side-note, I’m levelling a 2h phys/bleed conjurer because I found a mythical guillotine. What’s better for 2h phys/bleed, conjurer or warder? Can’t decide
