Asking for advice to improve dual wield Ather Apostate for SR36+

HI there, my first post here.

I’m trying to optimize my build for better clearing for SR36 and beyond. My current setup allows me to do Sr36-37 with some hurdles, like taking too long to beat Kubacabra and Reaper of the Lost and in lesser measure beating Alexander. All other nemesis are quite manageable though.

I used to have Rattosh devotion, but had to ditch it in order to fit in Chariot of the dead for proper survival. Also tried to get a good roll of Yigrad Chains belt in order to get close to 100% vit to aether conversion, but so far haven’t had a good roll that covers my elemental resistances and DA like the current Valgoth belt.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

Slow res is low, attack speed is low.
Freeze res is very low, for SR 36 you really want 80% so Moosi doesn’t get awkward.

You already get flat RR from the mace, you don’t need to go 8 deep into golden devo path for scales. So you can make a way better devo map with Spear of Heavens or Rattosh.

Pants choice is questionable, so is the Living ring. I’d farm Solael pants (with resists and HP) and Ring of Tawrot.

Maybe I am missing sth, but you are 13% shy in your WPS pool and only have 2 pts in Necrotic Edge? Points from Deadly Aim should go there.

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The slow res at 55% is fine. The biggest nemesis that becomes a hurdle for this is The Reaper of the Lost and so far the attack speed is still in the upper values. I don’t care for freeze resist since I use Hoarfrost oils.

The Ulkama is more than needed for the life sustain than the flat rr. The Mindwarp is below of the regular threshold that’s regularly around 20. Using only the mindwarp would hinder even more the damage. Like I stated in the thread I already had Rattosh and though it was a decent boost of damage, it wasn’t worth it without the defensive stats from chariot.

The Dreeg sect pants are there for the OA, without them it would be around the 2.85k OA, which would make it even harder to proc the Korvak devotion and Deadly Aim.

I already had more points previously in Necrotic Edge and it wasn’t anything worthy damage wise having closer to 100% in wps. The current setup is at 87, investing whole 8 points just to get another 8% in wps wasn’t worth it.

The living ring is there to round up the resistances, no other kind of green ring would get me the needed 40% overhead. The tawrot ring sounds good for the vit to aether conversion, would try to add it and reroll the rest of the defenses though.

Swap the medal for Mark of Nacrathan so you can cap Inquisitor seal ( last rank gives insane bonus to the absorption ) . Get attack speed suffix on the Theodin Heart ( more frames more leech ) . Swap Titan plating for Prismatic Diamond ( reflection is nerfed to the ground in SR ) . Soft cap Syphon Soul and hard cap Blood boil for more OA shred , Soft cap Mark of torment with all extra points push Inquisitor bar for more stats in general high SR is Sustain > Damage

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You don’t need to write a whole rebuttal, after asking for advice. :laughing:
Advice was offered, take it or leave it, that’s about all there is.

The reasoning behind your build choices is fairly obvious, but also inconsequential.
I’m just pointing out the glaring inefficiencies (pants for OA, scales for leech, missing slow res and atk speed) and if you fix them or not is entirely up to you.

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Harbinger of souls changes a bit of your physical damage to vitality. Isn’t that a bit of a setback for scaling your damage, if aether is the goal? Also, Oathkeeper might be a better combination with Necromancer for the Bonemonger set, especially since you can get RF as a DAR and use 2 Mindwarp swords. There’s also a problem whenever you convert something like physical to aether, because the DoT component isn’t converted. So maybe the best skills to be used with aether damage are the ones without a DoT component, like Eye of Reckoning.

And I appreciate your input. Seriously.

I’m just giving you the reason behind the original choices, some which you called odd but didn’t look at the bigger picture.

I know that this build is a house of cards and taking away a load bearing point without replacing it with another proper load bearing point feels like a worthless task. No offense, but your advice is on a similar plane like the restauration of the “Ecce Homo”.

I think the changes pointed out by @RSnoomak definitely hit the mark in my build flaws.

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:face_holding_back_tears:
Oh no, mean words.

I apologize for having a very direct way to address obvious build-mistakes.
It can sometimes rub people the wrong way.

Folks have different expectations, when it comes to build performance, and when I see 55% slow res and suboptimal green choices with bad affixes, I’m thinking I can maybe fill a knowledge gap.
But it appears you already know all you need!

So welcome to the forum!

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I don’t know why you even keep coming at me man. I already thanked you for your time and your advice. Your very bad advice that didn’t fix any of the survival issues that my build had. Your bad advice that suggested to drop a survival devotion like Ulkama for more damage when the issue was balancing sustain/defense. Your bad advice to get pants that would just add up a miserable 4 to 6% life steal that I would already be losing by dropping the Ulkama devotion while also losing a whole 5% DA and 4% OA in the dreeg sect pants. A complain on a green ring with bad affixes? What bad affixes? The living ring is even a triple rare that provided pierce, vitality, chaos, and bleeding resistances along with a huge chunk of HP, all for some extra aether damage and a cool looking active. 55% slow resist wasn’t an issue at all with the most aggressive nemesis like Reaper of The Lost, neither was the freeze resistance since most if not all people who play on SR use a cheap solution like hoarfrost ointment. You didn’t even bother at all to do the simple maths of balancing the resistances.

Your diagnostic was like asking Geek Squad for a quote to fix a bad sitting RAM problem in a computer and get a quote for a complete overhaul of the platform.

Yes, I know all I need now thanks to someone else that knew how to do a proper diagnose rather than follow some bad checklist that even chatgpt would do.

And yeah, thanks for that passive/aggressive welcome to the forums, mate.

I have to admit that I haven’t made any build concepts using the Apostate combination, so far. You’ve made me wonder what possible versions might be out there.

(edit) I couldn’t come up with an aether Apostate so far (perhaps yours should be the closest version), but I did come up with a different class combination for the Bonemonger set, on aether damage, if you’re interested in a different idea. I’ll certainly play this one too when its turn comes.

No.

There’s no excuse to not have 200% attack speed on AA builds. The fact that you have neither slow res nor AS capped is pretty bad.

Again, that’s simply false. You want 100% WPS or a little over as opposed to under. Theoretically, you could roll a basic attack like 5 times in a row. So yeah. That is a damage loss.

You’re build has obvious, glaring issues. And when a respectful post by a respected forum veteran ppints that out succinctly, you get mad. Did you want help or just want to argue?