So I think the title sais it all. A mythic relic should have ten fold more stats and benefits than a “simple” empored lvl 35 relic. There is absolutely zero reason for me to craft the Belgothian’s Carnage as I would just lose the insanely good Bloodbath skill while barely gaining anything in return.
Use Belgothian’s granted proc. Become a god. Never go back to any other relic ever regardless of build.
My build has zero use for that proc. Stats wise Belgothian is bad compared to Slaughter. Why doesnt it give at least +2 skillpoints? Bloodbath on Slaughter is a god skill for my spec. At least with that I have some AOE.
So… just continue to use slaughter then? Just because carnage isn’t good for your build does not mean it isn’t good.
Also no, Carnage’s
+65% Physical Damage
+65% Pierce Damage
16 Piercing Damage
15% Chance of 100 Reduced target's Defensive Ability For 3 Seconds
+35 Cunning
+45 Offensive Ability
+1 to All Skills in Nightblade
is definitely stronger than Slaughter’s
+24% Pierce Damage
10% Chance of 198 Bleeding Damage Over 3 Seconds
+60% Bleeding Damage
6-10 Piercing Damage
+18 Cunning
+1 to All Skills in Nightblade
So like 40 OA, 30-40% pierce, 20 cunning (none of these are much at that high level) while I lose my bleeding damage, the awesome Bloodbath AOE skill. No, its not a mythical relic.
EDIT: You all keep forgetting we are talking about an Empowered vs a Mythical relic here. Its just bad.
You said stats wise carnage is worse, which is objectively wrong. I’m not even going to talk about the difference in the skills because those are completely subjective to the build. Frankly I’d argue that just the flat OA and DA debuff on Carnage make it stronger than Slaughter let alone the other stats it has.
I’m not forgetting anything. I simply disagree with you.
You are quite right, I exagerated, still my point stands, I think it is NOT an upgrade from a lvl 35 Empowered to a lvl 70 Mythical relic and even considering the insane crafting costs it has. I understand that we disagree on this, thats just how it is.
I mean literally everything about it is better than Slaughter except for Bleeding.
If you want a Bleed relic, check out Oleron’s Wrath.
Just going to put this out here.
Out of all the mythical relics only Annihilation is actually bad. The others have some sort of use. Despite being the highest level Demolitionist relic it’s far worse than it’s lower level counterpart Ulzuin’s Pyroclasm
Belgothian’s Carnage would be perfect if it supported a two handed Nightblade/Blademaster/Trickster build as well… I mean, wasn’t Belgothian too “brawny” for Nightblade standards, lore wise?
I’m talking about the proc, BTW.
Exactly, It should give +2 Nightblade or +1 Nightblade +1 Soldier at least. Feels lackluster stats wise.
If the relic only had the proc with no stat bonus, it would still be used (albeit a lot less).
The cd reduction is mad.
Why do you need CD reduction? What for? My Blademaster has zero cooldown using skills, except for Shadowstrike, but thats just a 2.8 sec CD which doesnt matter. Ring of Steel is crowd control anyway 3.5 sec duration and 4.5 sec recharge, Im not seeing there either.
Do you even Pneumatic Burst? It also decreases devotion cds. Imo it’s one of the best relics, even after nerf.
Well yeah Pneumatic is freaking awesome but I dont think it matters if I spam it. If i get into a big crowd no matter how many times I press it I would just die from “one hit from every sorrounding mob”.
I am weird and I use Blade Spirit and maxed Ring of Steel (without the transmutor).
I have also checked Nemesis Relic and stats wise its not even an upgrade.
Am I thinking this wrong? Mythicals arent necessarily a clear upgrade from Empowered Relics? Or is just Slaughter ungodly good?
It does matter. Late game it matters a lot. You really need to try it first and see. Don’t be afraid to lose Slaughter relic. It’s easy enough to craft. 2 sec reduced CD on SS is huge. You will melt Fabius or Shar’zul and have much more heal from PB. If you are being one shot then get more HP, around 9K and get more armor absorb with Scales and Scars of battle. Very improtant. Also, put a point at least in circle of slaughter. Fumble is very good and works on bosses too. You will notice an increase in survivability right away. Lvl 6 with + skills is enough
And crucible, I don’t know if you are into it or have it, but I wouldn’t consider stepping into it without this relic.
Check the Blademaster builds made by good players. They praise it for a reason, and was also nerfed for a reason. It’s very strong.