Casters and guns.

Grim Dawn Classes, Skills and Builds
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Hi guys.

I’m opening this thread to raise a topic that most people may not agree with me, but I think it’s important.

I am building a Cabalist at the moment, awesome class tbh.

The thing is, I don’t want to be forced to use typical LMB skills, yet I want to use the necro’s weapon attack procs.

For example I’m in love with Reap Spirit as LMB skill with a gun, that occasionally procs the weapon attacks (A vitality gun will be awesome for that though).

Here’s the thing, there’s a weapon I really like for my pet build, the actual petmancer cabalist build has a scepter that there’s no way I can pair with a gun.
Beacon of lost souls, I’m talking about you here.

I have noticed that most caster sets, if not all, use scepters.

Why not make more sets with guns.

A summoner, shooting bastards in the face with Morguul’s Mortality.
But that 90% bonus on pet damage is so sweet… <3

Is there any chance pet sets for Cabalist will be made with a gun in mind or no weapon at all for example.

Reap spirit, shoot, shoot, reap spirit and cast stuff in the meantime.

It’s just a thing I had in mind, as I find a severe lack of guns in caster sets.

If Beacon of Lost Souls gets transformed into a Vitality damage gun, that will be the most fitting weapon for this set.

Thank you for your time. :slight_smile:

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If you’re a caster, why would it matter if you used a gun or a scepter?

There are a whole bunched of ranged skills you can get (e.g. components) or invest in.

Shooting is literally going to do nothing in terms of DPS.

Unless of course it’s a thematic thing you want, in which case more power to you. But I don’t think crate will consider making a set solely for that reason (pure speculation on my part here).

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Depends. E.g. it’s kinda inconvenient to apply Tenacity of the Boar with a scepter as opposed to gun. But few exceptions aside you’d want a caster weapon because they have higher %damage as a design choice.

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As I said, this is not a typical “Caster build” as I have a 6s cd skill as a left button. Besides with all the vitality buffs I get from items and constellations, a vitality damage gun, that procs the necro’s weapon skills (ranged) while on cooldown is quite satisfying and yes, it can do a lot in terms of damage, given you have (and you will have) a bunch of +vitality damage from items and constellations.

The idea is a 6s cd as lmb and procs in the meantime.
As opposed to a typical caster, it’s a petmancer build.

It’s an alternative to DEE and other typical LMB skills as I said. :slight_smile:

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I beg to differ. I cannot imagine a pistol (with no attack replacer and no WPS) doing more damage than say seal of blight.

I’m not going to tell you how to play your game, but I will say I’m a little baffled as to why you’d bind reap spirit to your LMB when you can bind it to literally any other key and use it once every 6 seconds.

Regardless, I could be wrong. I’ve got no experience whatsoever in pet builds, so maybe you’re onto something here.

@Stupid dragon: Fair point. I suppose the same would apply with lethal assault.

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The thing is, this will be pointless outside of a petmancer build, as you would use a dedicated LMB skill for that matter if at all.

The idea here is maximum uptime on Shepard’s call, bound to Reap Spirit (They have about the same cd), having the spirit up at all times and using the procs the necro already has.

Necro has 2 WPS, Reaping Strike and Necrotic Edge :slight_smile:
Reap Spirit is an attack replacer, basically like a cadence on a CD, that procs every 4 seconds, that’s the whole idea here. (Not as dedicated though, but works like a charm)
The set itself is pet-oriented anyway.

With enough CD reduction you will spam Reap Spirit every ~4 seconds and proc the two weapon skills for the necro in the meantime.

Giving you maybe more damage than DEE with the right build.

The other buttons are bound to summons and buffs. Auras on a separate bar.

It’s quite a nice concept, you should try it out.

With a vitality gun, you can reap s*** with it. :slight_smile:

The set and specific item I’m talking about here.
https://www.grimtools.com/db/itemsets/108

Basically a petmancer pew pew proc/caster build.

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Lol. By that logic, you can argue that mark of torment is an attack replacer.

No, an attack replacer is savagery, belgothian strikes, cadence, fire strike.

Like I said - I’m unconvinced that your build is fully optimized, and we can agree to disagree.

Going back to the OP though - stupid dragon sums it up very nicely. There are very few cases where casters would want a ranged weapon, and I don’t think that’s bound to change.

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As I said before, this is not intended to be a fully caster build.

And here I though Grim Dawn was all about custom builds, choices and going out of any pre-set metas :stuck_out_tongue:
That’s why I love it.

I know it’s not an “Attack replacer” in the sence, but it actually works.

If I wanted to build a typical caster, I’d go with arcanist/something maybe, not a pet-dedicated cabalist :slight_smile:

The set itself is a Cabalist set and having an alternative to typical caster spam-skills like DEE or PRM, using guns for ranged attacks, vitality damage based with a vitality damage guns, that we actually already have in the game will be great.

Try it out, It’s actually cool and it works. :stuck_out_tongue:
Well pets will still be your main damage source and that’s actually why I’m centered around this idea. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I understand what you’re going for in here, OP but I don’t think you put your thread in the right place. This should be in Ideas and Feedback. I thought you needed help for your build concept but it’s actually a suggestion lol. Maybe spanks and dragon thought the same too, hence the replies. It’s up to the devs if they ever release the concept, but as for now, don’t expect the concept to be good and efficient due to the lack of support.

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Of course GD is all about custom builds - but they need to work within the laws of the game as defined by coding and the such.

For example, you cannot expect to deal decent damage without resist reduction. That’s one such unavoidable law.

And like I said, I totally respect your build. I’m not trying to trivialize it, in fact I encourage it. I myself often make sub-optimal builds which can work, but are to me just really cool.

Play the game however you want.

The points I’m trying to make are:

  1. You cannot expect the build to be optimized if you’re going for a certain theme. It might be good, but it’s certainly not as good as it could be.

  2. The request being made here is far too niche IMO for crate to actually do something about. I could be wrong though, your suggestion might be one zantai finds really cool, and decides to implement in FG. However, given that this is the only request of its kind, and given how specific this request is, I’m just advising caution against raising your hopes.

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Well I guess I need to move it, If I can :smiley:

Yes, It’s a concept and something I’d like to see here.

The reason it’s not optimal is that it does not have a dedicated set/gun for that.

The Cabalist actually has a quite serious ranged potential, It just needs the right set.

https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/8537

Beacon of lost souls - Gun version, will be the perfect weapon.
Petmancer/proc shooter with Reap Spirit as a CD LB skill, procs with stacked devotions on them and pets that actually take the bulk of everything.
A vitality gun to make use of all the +vit damage, Healing yourself with reaping strike from a safe distance and actually having the flexibility of a ranged class, while your pets make up most of the damage.
The Idea of the gun is having 3 skills that proc devotions, making use of them and not going right into the enemy’s faces.

Cast and shoot, shoot, buff, cast :slight_smile:

As I am new here, if you can move the thread, please do :stuck_out_tongue:

Thank you for understanding :smiley: :))