Clarification about Zolhans technique

[JoV]

Looks good, I’ll keep an eye out for the build guide ^^

Any chance you can post stats screenshots of the green items you are using?

Thx

Its almost same as for my dw melee BM build. Ring is of attack instead of badger, everything else is same.

[system]

1. Not at all.
2. Dummy kill time says otherwise, 2H ranged always win against DW ranged.

I will just say Kraken, it does wonders for 2H.

2x Death dealer sidearms is slightly faster on dummy than 1x havoc and 1x death dealer sidearm at least on this setup (probably due to higher AP value on DDSA).

I suppose 2H ranged will win IF you keep Valdun’s set (since that set has lots of bonuses that only worked with 2H weapons); to do a fair comparison you’d need to replace most of the Valdun slots with something else.

But the math is quite obviously in 2H’s favor when cadence is concerned (would you rather have 6x damage on a one hand weapon or a two handed weapon that goes through every enemy, hence actually being worth multiple hits? The damage would be double with a 2hander).
I suppose the attack speed and how close you come to the 0.5s cap is a factor but most dual-wield cadence setups WILL waste hits on the offhand that gain no cadence charges.

Dunno about pierce builds like this one (but who the heck goes for pierce damage on fire strike anyway) on a physical->fire/elemental conversion fire strike sorcerer 2x any decent pair of pistols will beat out Ulzuin’s flamespreader or whatever 2H you want to use, for example. Instead of Kraken, we have lots of constellations that give +flat elemental/fire damage on each hand. Add that to the benefit of having one more component for an extra 10% conversion, and also another aura which will give damage to both hands instead of one.
Dummy (single-target) kills do not take into account AOE from brimstone as well as the fact that cadence’s heaviest hit goes through enemies.

[JoV]

I suppose 2H ranged will win IF you keep Valdun’s set (since that set has lots of bonuses that only worked with 2H weapons); to do a fair comparison you’d need to replace most of the Valdun slots with something else.

But the math is quite obviously in 2H’s favor when cadence is concerned (would you rather have 6x damage on a one hand weapon or a two handed weapon that goes through every enemy, hence actually being worth multiple hits? The damage would be double with a 2hander).
I suppose the attack speed and how close you come to the 0.5s cap is a factor but most dual-wield cadence setups WILL waste hits on the offhand that gain no cadence charges.

Dunno about pierce builds like this one (but who the heck goes for pierce damage on fire strike anyway) on a physical->fire/elemental conversion fire strike sorcerer 2x any decent pair of pistols will beat out Ulzuin’s flamespreader or whatever 2H you want to use, for example. Instead of Kraken, we have lots of constellations that give +flat elemental/fire damage on each hand. Add that to the benefit of having one more component for an extra 10% conversion, and also another aura which will give damage to both hands instead of one.
Dummy (single-target) kills do not take into account AOE from brimstone as well as the fact that cadence’s heaviest hit goes through enemies.

1. There is no better set than Valdun when going pierce ranged, regardless of going 2h or DW. One of the reasons DW is underdeveloped is that, it almost dont have any dedicated gear.

2. Try helborne and they will not.

3. Yes and you can take them all with 2h ranged but you cant take Kraken with DW pistols. And kraken is totally broken (20% atc speed, 120% to all dmg, 15% crit,…by far best constellation for non caster builds)

4. I measured what can be measured and thats single target dmg. But you dont lack much AOE when going from DW to 2H in any case. And best AOE vise build is 2H ranged using Vortex.