Enable Artifact Handling for Horn of Gandarr

[Evil_Baka]

@thaeril

We need some CDR so Horn is not completely useless if you are not running Rimetongue.

When I say we don’t need more CDR, I mean past the base 0.5s Gandarr cooldown mark that Rimetongue + Codex builds can currently reach. Enabling Artifact Handling would push the builds using Rimetongue + Codex past that mark and buff Gandarr more than is needed when it’s already performing well as far as a huge AoE clearer goes as a pseudo-spammable.

@thaeril

But the other two? 2s or 0s makes do difference to those builds because they have SS, PB, and Blade Trap among other skills to use. Even if Gandarr had less CD, there would be no point in using it that often.

@Evil_Baka

Snazz’s looks like it follows the same ideology as mine - stack as much CDR and damage onto Gandarr as feasible to maximise it’s usability as a pseudo-spam skill at 0.5s cd or less as a primary skill and support it on Heroes/Bosses with a cd-based nuke, in their case it’s Shadow Strike.

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@thaeril

Except it’s not “core damage utility”. It’s a Gandarr build with Gandarr being little more than a debuff.

Again, at 0.5s cd before % CDR, it’s clear as day that he wants it to be a damage ability. It’s even in his guide:

@Snazzblaster

The build revolves around stacking as much -cd for Horn of Gandarr while simultaneously attempting to stack flat pierce damage.

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@thaeril

You know what would be the best? Fun builds that are also playable and can clear content with a decent speed.

…which you can do? I’d like to see more builds work for Gandarr but I’m not about to buff every Gandarr build by enabling Artifact Handling for it as Rimetongue + Codex builds don’t really need it in my experience and from Snazz’s build. I believe Dmt and AlexGoldFish also ran Gandarr builds through Crucible sometime ago before the buff in 1.1.9 as well if memory serves well.

@thaeril

Or simply enable Arifact Handling which does all of that automatically and allows usage of Gandarr in variety of builds
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If 0 CD builds are a problem then boost base cooldown and/or remove cooldown mod from Rimetongue.

I’d argue this is just more work as you then have to tweak the values on every Gandarr skill modifier that reduces it’s cooldown or increases it’s damage to compensate as opposed to just introducing skill modifiers or tweaking existing ones that Rimetongue + Codex builds cannot use. It’s not just cooldown either as Artifact Handling adds a total damage modifier and crit damage to it’s effected skills. You also have less control on the bonuses Artifact Handling introduces to Rimetongue + Codex compared to skill modifiers where you do have control over those and can tune them to the right amounts from the get-go.

Rimetongue + Codex is already in a fine-ish spot after changes across updates - why throw a wrench into that and create unnecessary work when you can just make changes to the items they cannot/won’t use to give bumps to every other Gandarr build? Just makes more sense to me.

@thaeril

Also, with each reply I feel like my intentions are misunderstood more and more so let me reiterate what is the goal of this change:

• enable Gandarr for variety of builds, as debuff/supplementary AoE, outside of Rimetongue set
• enable Gandarr as damaging ability for variety of builds without the need of sacrificing too many gear slots, for an example weapon+off-hand+amulet for Gandarr and some set for remaining slots to boost other skill - this is because Gandarr lacks gear synergy with other skills and at this point it would be too hard to introduce that synergy.

I’m not against it. But I am against buffing Gandarr past the current top end cooldown that Rimetongue + Codex builds can reach now based on my experience playing a build with it and based on Rekt and Snazz’s builds - which enabling Artifact Handling would do. Just buff the parts of builds that Rimetongue + Codex builds can’t/won’t use as they’re fine where they are and don’t need buffs or nerfs.