I also suggest buffing Stormrend. The weapon is weak itself and lacks stats; also CD PS is quite memish. I suggest adding 14-18% of attack speed, totally removing the -CD to PS and adding, say, 4% phys res so 2 Stormrends could compete with Ultos’ Stormseeker.
Also there’s a problem that masteries except Shaman don’t support lightning much (and 1h lightning especially). While theoricrafting my dw PS, I ended up with elementalist as it’s the only option that has both AS and 2 RR.
Forgot about that, good catch. Arcane bomb is the most annoying part of lightning melee. I wish it was acting like Rumor and Eldritch Fire even if it meant lower -% res value.
Still trying to get my hands on one of these, but these changes sound reasonable.
I would buff Ulots set for CC res and changed phys res on Ultos axe and gave at least half of it to 4 piece set bonus. Stormrend is clearly meant for cooldown PS and practically everyone wants it to be for non cooldown PS. I don’t mind either way. I would also give back lightning RR on Aether Corruption. But on the other hand changing everything so that it can cater to very small group of Crucible runners is just bad in general. Does every type of build have to be able to do sub 6 min crucible and SR75+? I for sure can enjoy builds that don’t do it.
That’s not a question for me to answer but for the devs, as a part of the definition of balance. In here the “type” is 1H melee. It’s a very broad type and it’s not competitive in the endgame.
I like both mods for PS and Stun Jacks and don’t want them removed. I would not mind some AS for non cooldown builds, but I don’t find it necessary. Cooldown Stun Jacks can melt things really fast with electrocution. You make broad statments like it is useless because it doesn’t do what you want or because you have not tried hard enough. I have not yet seen any build with cooldown Stun Jacks using Stormrend. So I am not sure your claim is based on anything. On the other hand I remember @Superfluff in this thread saying that it melted dummy in tests really fast. But I agree that lightning melee needs buffs in general.
As you see, my statement is supported. For cd Jacks you take Spark of Ultos, it’s superior. I did make a Jacks build with it, as well as tested a build of another person.
Your statement, however, is quite arbitrary. What makes you think you know if i’ve tried anything or even that you know my reasoning?
I took it because it is months old build. And I take things because I want to use them. Not necessarily because they are the best thing to use. Well the statement in that thread from Superfluff says otherwise.
I didn’t mean “you” as you in particular because i didn’t see your build before. I meant “you” as a person who wants to make a strong build with cd Stun Jacks.
Your statement was arbitrary by definition: you can’t know another person’s reasoning.
Anyway, this topic is not about Stun Jacks mod but about 1H lightning melee and Stormrend as a part of it.
Looking at values for Thunderous Strike before and after the change, 26/16 Primal Strike went from effectively 192.7% weapon damage to 174.2% weapon damage (((320 - 85) x .82) to ((320 - 60) x .67)).
Overall an approximate loss of 9.6% of the old’s total weapon damage.
On topic, I still don’t get why people keep trying to make Stormrend and Thunderous Strikes work together when the weapon is clearly not designed for it.
+1 to Nightblade is sort of odd, it really just has Stormserpent and the Shadow Strike Conduit going for it to enable some kind of Electrocute Trickster with Primal Strike/Shadow Strike rotations. It won’t set any records but it’s a novel idea nonetheless.
I do think the +1 Inquisitor is kinda out of place though, personally would rather see that as ether a +1 Demo or +1 Shaman. Not to say that Inquisitor can’t do Electrocute but it needs a lot more on a weapon than just sticking +1 to the mastery on it as shown by Raka’Jax.
I tried (on paper) to make a build around Stormrend and ended with a Druid and Trickster, which seem okay…till I looked at the abyssmal low Attack Speed on both of them. Both would use Savagery as AA and Primal Strike without Thunderous Strike, but I don´t think they would really work though Trickster has strong Health (18k).
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actually DW spark+ render on DW PS + SJ elementalist is devastating SJ. So not so supported
It saves zantai from having to nerf items by making them underpowered to begin with. I tried to make stormrend work but everything i came up with just looked kind of weak.
What does this even mean? endgame competitiveness in an offline singleplayer focused game is quite arbitrary.
This arbitrary competition is the reason why many of the old timers are still here though. But that’s not what the author meant to begin with anyway. Build options are “competing” against each other for the given player to use them. Stormrend wins some points with “IT’S PS ONEHANDED, WEEEE”, but apparently performance-wise it’s significantly behind the alternatives, so it loses.
But in the ens There Will be only One dual wield meele build that is best anyways and One build that Will be worst
Sure, but a situation when there’s a handful of good performing dual wield melee builds is better than when there’s a top performer and nothing comes close. It’s just a question of how big the pool of these reasonably strong dual wield melee builds should be, and the gap between the best one and the worst one in that group.
Anyone can make as build as bad possible. How is the worst build gonna be defined and by whom? Has the dw PS builds been tested pushed enough as it is or can we already make some improvents With existing items?
Interesting. Can i see the build and it’s performance?
If someone’s deliberately making a build that doesn’t make sense it’s on them. And noone’s going to define what’s the worst build is, it doesn’t make any sense. People have some performance “window” they consider just right, and outliers are either OP or UP. They’re naturally trying to drag more UP builds into their acceptable performance window.
Sadly builders don’t post stuff that doesn’t work well. Actually DW cooldown PS was tested by multiple builders too, and pretty much everyone said spam PS works better anyway. It’s safe to say the weapon is tried enough if builders even try some arcane shit like fitting it into Deathmarked set.