Can’t believe no one posted an optimized Rutnick build yet. Lazy mortals. 
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This is my current take on Rutnick’s gun on Mage Hunter https://www.grimtools.com/calc/vNQXjgRZ
Highest shard ever take is 80 so far Kupa is the threat on clearing the shard within the time limit (man, I would gladly trade Kupa pool regen with his splitting ability), his regen is absurd and pistol have low base damage. DPS is 89k with Word of Renewal and Seal active, including Mirror it adds to 110k during those 5 seconds. Highest recorded crit is 300k. Will try Crucible later.
Edit: Best time I tried is 8:22, not that impressive
What a sad display 
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Thanks firozo and arivus for the links and times.
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seem good. Is that with timer left? I was struggling with mine to keep alive in 75 consistently, but I think Crit’s version using scales was much more stable.
However, this
is not so good. Haven’t tried your build myself but on the surface it looks like major tradeoffs for survivability. If WPS are actually a damage loss, even with maul now, that’s also concerning. Majority of “ideal usage” melee and caster builds don’t take nearly this kind of time hit to trade some damage for surviving.
It’s not, but mage hunter beronath is relatively niche 
. Shard of beronath is another area that I’ve basically thrown out for pistols, you generally just can’t stack the damage to make up for the lower multipliers on it, even before considering AoE needs.
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Moved to rutnick testing last night, oppressor with ele -> aether rings. https://www.grimtools.com/calc/r2BbdKz2
Feels good in SR75-76, few deaths from usual reckless abandon approach, but still had time left and kill speed feels good. @Crittrain doing some crucible testing today, along with a full vit->aether approach and dropping the magelord rings
edit: Crit ran a full vit conversion setup and pulled 5:27 run. As far as I know this is the best non-FS pistol time. I believe paladin side is slower currently (@romanN1 was testing a @Valinov build in the 6+ minute range DISPUTED MAY BE FINE). From a gameplay standpoint and benchmark set for the thread, these feel good and for pistols the damage is good. Wider picture I’d argue still underperforming considering this is the peak of non-FS pistol pew pew.
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I also have video of paladin doing 5:30ish. I’m not sure where the clear time difference is coming in.
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I found some primal strike builds on the russian builder site https://grimpendium.net/ from @ValeraMXM
both seem to go in high SR levels , but Cruci is in the 7min range
phys.vindicator: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/4ZD1j68N
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFvER0WIPx4
druid lightning: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/p25bERGV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFvER0WIPx4
for god’s sake, don’t bring it here.
124%AS autoattacker with turtle and 2 DR greens
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Just a reminder Ranged Expertise doesn’t boost your AS in Grim Tools for 2-handers. You can pull points back and see it doesn’t change. Nevertheless, it’s true that in the linked build AS is not optimized and sacrificed for fluff when you can get ~50% more without temp buffs on this build with items, components, devotions
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Yes, please, we have enough of him in Russian community.
His builds are awful and they’re not min-maxed at all. They’re just for taking turtle-scales-dryad-bat one more time.
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yep, forgot about it, but still 136% is a joke
can be said about all his builds. He records 1 SR run using the same devo route on every single build. He simple abuses everything which is wrong about SR build metric.
So please, leave horrors of grimpendium alone. I highly recommend to never use that site for build searching.
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Good to know it’s a common knowledge because I’ve found about it recently and never read about that in any build description.
I don’t have a good intuition of what’s the relation about Cruci time and power but for me it’s motivating to test the build with more attack speed and maybe 2 x -15% Phys Res to Devouring Swarm from a conduit and Korvan Casque because I like the yellow PS and Inquisitor Seal. The problem is it’s just a poor’s man version of Lightning Raka’Jax Vindicator (or maybe another weapon but Raka’Jax seems to be the most similar).
Потому что я не делаю билды под горнило, мне всё равно какое там время будет.
Here’s 5:45 but I do have some crazy gear so count it at your own discretion Grim Tools
Not sure how close it is to perfect run because I don’t look at the mutators or know optimal strategy.
The hardest opponent was Iceclaw hiding itself behind a column during a whole wave (3:10) and wasted a lot of my time.
I didn’t make many attempts due to GDStash constantly resetting my devotions / unbinding procs.
Mamba says it’s been fixed in the latest version. 5:30 seems to be in reach.
Video
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Its a caster pistol without any of the caster stats while having lower % damage than daggers and scepters. It looks like a joke. Anderos at least needs cast speed and cdr to be a worthy competitor
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This is surprisingly decent results, thanks for posting! I probably let my ABB is not spam AA bias get in the way. I’d selfishly still love to see some other AA attack support added to make these more flexible as the only cold pistol, but for now I’ll mark them as passing
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I had an idea with the Morguul gun and its recent buffs : https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNkw9adN
It’s surprisingly good, I wonder if it’s due to the OPness of Demonslayer but damn is it smooth in SR, I could go up to SR85 without resorting to that stupid camera trick.
Here the .gdc if someone wants to run it in crucible or just feel the glory of shooting knives with guns : https://filebin.net/fd7i6ykpscp32evk
Also thanks to Valinov and Avyctes for teaching me Direwolf is not for guns.
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I have Pierce Cadence Tactician with this weapon https://www.grimtools.com/calc/M2gArvyZ
It has 100% WPS, capped CC resist (except disrupt and leech), high physical resist and adcth to counter Anguish proc. Even with that -25% damage proc it can still crit to 300k (highest crucible crit is 800k).
Build can reliably finish Gladiator 170, but once again time is not impressive (8m+) as I have bad piloting skill on Crucible. Compared to SR this build can finish SR80 deathless quickly and with 6m+ time left over. Guess it my build habits to be as tanky as possible 
Just in case someone is interested how are new Morguls on Apostate with new MI medal.
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/4Vxwoep2
According to author his best cruci was 6:30 and it can go lower if piloted by someone more experienced in speedruns, possibly to around 6:00.
Overall by modern standards it isn’t amazing, but it’s better than what you can expect out of concept like that (non-FS ranged). I think the reason it performs better in SR than Crucible is because like all non-FS ranged concepts it’s lacking in AoE regard, but because it’s vitality w/ inq seal it’s pretty durable for 1v1 SR bossroom fights.
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Hmm, another beronath shard setup too, thanks for the link. Looks like adcth and devos are keeping him upright cause AoE clear still looks pretty poop in the videos?
I’ve been working on a dumb rah’zin hagarradian enforcer deceiver setup that pulls decent damage, but I can’t keep standing upright yet, as a non-ABB alternative for those guns. Really trying to push some of the proc based guns to see if they can carry the AoE need after confirming Runick is performing well.
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