[Feedback] Warborn Cadence still sucks

[mad_lee]

I actually spit out my drink, which is a first for these forums after all these long years. Congratulations!

Don’t worry, it can still kill Cronley reliably, so your farming route is safe. After all these long years!

[Smitherson]

Loghorrean, is that you?

[el_critico]

Dont ever say warporn cadence sucks, yo for years now its been a build close to Cenos heart

plot twist: it really sucks

[ya1]

Physical Cadence is good for Zen meditation

[Relinfearous]

It’s pretty apparent and Smitherson already mentioned it, the crit damage in the build is severely lacking. Partly it’s because Beronath Sword was nerfed. So the global crit damage is 19%, Cadence has no innate bonus on its modifiers, and no bonus from item modifiers. I don’t think enough has been done in the build to compensate for this. In Devotions, only Panther (5%) was picked up. Peerless Eye of Beronath and Rylok Crest could help as far as gear goes. And as a side note the non-mythical version of the gloves seem superior here.

I imagine the AoE isn’t great either, that probably isn’t helping.

Still, doesn’t mean the set couldn’t use some tweaking. I’m just trying to be fair and offer partial solutions that aren’t just buffing the set. I like the build in any case, well done.

[Ceno]

Alright let’s be a little more serious then.

But it does Crucible in 7-7:30 minute range when piloted by me. It’s going to be at least 30 seconds slower when piloted by a casual player.

[Feedback] Melee Physical Cadence needs a buff

In today’s news, single target AA skill not hitting peak clear times in AoE-centric game mode and yet still manages a sub 8 minute time.

Where’s the problem?

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That aside, I wouldn’t call this overly min-maxed. The +max res is neat, but you can definitely get more aggressive.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNkOrXdN

I’m not fully convinced with two things:

• Running Death Knight; my money is on Witchblade being better.
• Maxing Ill Omen. You get all the damage reduction you can want from Light of Empyrion and it should activate fairly frequently. You can lower investment in Ill Omen for comparable spread/proc rates and bump up Field Command or get Zolhan’s for better average dps.

[sir_spanksalot]

I would rather see fixes to things like deathguard set before improvements to warborn tbh

[mad_lee]

I don’t think enough has been done in the build to compensate for this. In Devotions, only Panther (5%) was picked up. Peerless Eye of Beronath and Rylok Crest could help as far as gear goes. And as a side note the non-mythical version of the gloves seem superior here.

I imagine the AoE isn’t great either, that probably isn’t helping.

That aside, I wouldn’t call this overly min-maxed. The +max res is neat, but you can definitely get more aggressive.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNkOrXdN

I’m not fully convinced with two things:

• Running Death Knight; my money is on Witchblade being better.
• Maxing Ill Omen. You get all the damage reduction you can want from Light of Empyrion and it should activate fairly frequently. You can lower investment in Ill Omen for comparable spread/proc rates and bump up Field Command or get Zolhan’s for better average dps.

I love how you guys are trying to help me to make a better build. I mean, I appreciate your effort, but in case you didn’t know - I specialize in endgame builds and made dozens of min-maxed top-tier specs across all classes and all playstyles.

So when you say “x might be better than y”, chances are, you are wrong and I have already tested both x, y and z.

@Relinfearous
Peerless Eye performed worse than Bloodsurge amulet despite OA and crit damage. Besides, build cannot be consistent with Peerless Eye, resist overcaps becomes a pain and you will be dying frequently in Crucible.

In today’s news, single target AA skill not hitting peak clear times in AoE-centric game mode and yet still manages a sub 8 minute time. Where’s the problem?

Problem is that top tier AA builds based on other elements easily do Crucible Gladiator 150-170 in 5:30-6:30 minutes. Belgo BM does it in 5:30, Belgo Infil in 6, SR 2x Reaver Claw in 5:45, Deathmarked Infiltrator/Trickster in 6, Korba Trickster in 6-6:30, Melee Fire Strike Shieldbreaker in 6-6:30, Rah’Zin WH in 6:30 ish (maybe even faster), Acid Dervish (in SR set or Venomblade) in 5:30-6:30.

Running Death Knight; my money is on Witchblade being better.

We’ve been through this, Norzan and Fluff made this claim in some thread long ago, I made a seperate thread and ran a series of tests comparing Warborn dual-wielding

DK, WB and WL head-to-head-to-head. Witchblade was by far the worst both in terms of survivability and damage.

Maxing Ill Omen. You get all the damage reduction you can want from Light of Empyrion and it should activate fairly frequently. You can lower investment in Ill Omen for comparable spread/proc rates and bump up Field Command or get Zolhan’s for better average dps.

That’s actually just for spreading Azrakaa Sands - almost a passive proccer for a very potent tier-3 devotion. Constant damage reduction covers for the moments where War Cry is down.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNkOrXdN

This amulet is bis for damage and I used it before. Unfortunately, build is very incosistent with it. DA in your link makes it even more glassy. And Direwolf Crest is better than Korvak, I tested that shit too.

Here is a video of my fastest run, btw:

[sir_spanksalot]

@mad_lee Did you try deathstalker relic?

[mad_lee]

@mad_lee Did you try deathstalker relic?

Nope. I don’t think it’s better tbh, we are losing two points in Deadly momentum + flat from the relic so offensively it might even out. We are also losing valuable plus skills and vita overcap/armor so defensively we are definitely losing.

[sir_spanksalot]

fair enough. I jst really wanna see Deathstalker used more

[Nery]

fair enough. I jst really wanna see Deathstalker used more

I tried it on Battlemage, it makes the build better. Although it’s hard to say how good can Battlemage be. But hey, Shield Blade Arc have same time as DW Cadence DK, not bad

[x1x1x1x2]

@mad_lee Did you try deathstalker relic?

Nope

So when you say “x might be better than y”, chances are, you are wrong and I have already tested both x, y and z

[Norzan]

We’ve been through this, Norzan and Fluff made this claim in some thread long ago, I made a seperate thread and ran a series of tests comparing Warborn dual-wielding

DK, WB and WL head-to-head-to-head. Witchblade was by far the worst both in terms of survivability and damage.

You tested against a superboss of all things instead in the thing you actually test builds and you didn’t even killed it constantly. You died with all three builds and managed to kill it once with DK out of several attempts. You proved nothing. You got lucky with one kill and assumed instantly that DK is the best one when the kill was just lucky at the end of the day.

Actually test Witchblade in Crucible instead of these tests against bosses that are clearly meant to be taken out by builds more tanky than DW.

[Evil_Baka]

Gonna just leave this here:

Endgame balancing problem

In terms of cutting edge clear times, a glad 170 clear in the 6:00 to 7:30 range in the hands of a skilled player is very reasonable. Anything below 10 minutes for an average player is great. Anything outside of that needs to be looked at.

That will vary of course with what sort of build it is (a very safe build should not be clearing as fast as a glass cannon, likewise an AoE heavy build should do better than a single-target build in the Crucible).

[toapeiron]

I vote for turning this into another meme thread to make it a little useful.

[Valinov]

I would rather see fixes to things like deathguard set before improvements to warborn tbh

although on topic; as some of the above posters noted, there is a distinct lack of crit damage on physical builds outside of warlord variants. (even this is assuming you take DM over oleron) Adding 8-10% crit damage to the warborn proc on the 4 pierce wouldnt make anything broken, and would help nudge the build. Or even perhaps a skill mod adding that amount to olerons rage

[Valinov]

fair enough. I jst really wanna see Deathstalker used more

I tried it on Battlemage, it makes the build better. Although it’s hard to say how good can Battlemage be. But hey, Shield Blade Arc have same time as DW Cadence DK, not bad

battlemage is great as long as its using AAR

[Mauricius]

Just throwing in something that might be completely irrelevant.

What about adding a extra target to hit on the regular attacks with Cadence? Only the Cadence proc hits extra targets with Fighting Form or also with the regular attacks?

[Relinfearous]

Maxing Ill Omen. You get all the damage reduction you can want from Light of Empyrion and it should activate fairly frequently.

It’s not only that. It’s a set that can and wants to keep War Cry up 100% of the time. So it’s a waste on both ends.