Fire Retaliation not applying to character sheet / retaliation damage

Grim Dawn General Discussion
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Hello!

I’m newer to Grim Dawn end game and really trying to fine tune my build. I noticed that when I’m not receiving any fire damage benefits from fire retaliation in this build. I have the messenger of war constellation and avatar of order amulet which both give fire retaliation.

Here is my build: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/aZqEG94Z

Here is an in game screenshot: image

I also noticed that acid retaliation is much higher in game than it is in grim tools and grim tools does show my fire damage.

Any ideas?

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There are two things to note here:

  1. Damage conversion works on retaliation damage too.
  2. The build in your link is not the same as the one in your screenshot.

Ingame you are using the Murmur’s Kiss belt which converts 40-60% of your fire (burn) retaliation to acid (poison) retaliation. If you combine that with the Oathkeeper’s exclusive skill Path of the Three - which converts fire damage to acid as well - all of your fire retaliation will be converted to acid instead.

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One could also add, that Grim Tools fails to display conversions on retaliation damage

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@Pepasone Works fine, amulet gives fire retal.

@Teewurst Btw welcome to the forum, great first post :slight_smile: enjoy your stay!

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Considering you have an exclusive and a belt converting fire to acid which do affect retal, and to an amount that can easily reach 100%+ with a good belt roll, it seems normal there is no fire retal left

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Conversion works on flat retal too, you have belt and Path of the Three for sure.
You can increase flat retal with cunning dump (physical) and spirit dump (acid/elementals) too, it has similar mechanics to another damages.

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Regardless of how much cunning I dump, this number stays the same (5)

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/O2GEQ7XZ

Or am I just naive about how dmg tool tip work here (as it usually is bugged)

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I have just checked, I can increase flat acid with spirit dump but after taking few items off it was not possible anymore. Maybe you need really a lot of retal of certain damage type to make it work and certain conversions, I don’t know how it works really.

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@Ceno do you know how this works? retalation damage and attribute scaling.

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Where did you see numbers change exactly? On third char tab? Because I checked that as well just to make sure I’m not going insane. Took Wraith and Messenger and did a spirit dump.
Before

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After:

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On 3rd sheet, I made screens, didnt cast any buff:
Without spirit dump (55 points left)
nospiritx

Spirit dump (it’s multiplied more if you cast all buffs
spiritx

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Ligthtning and fire retal is not buffed, interesting…

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Hm, yes that’s weird. Only acid is affected. What if you remove Pestilence of Dreeg?

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I removed Dreeg and belt before and it did not affect it (but did not cast buffs). I don’t know if you need some certain gear and conversion or amount of retal or what the hell is going on. I remember one guy on forum there write cunning increase physical retal, but I don’t know which build.

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I would bet a copy of Crate’s new town builder that this is a tooltip error - likely having to do with rounding or floating point problems.

Attributes do not (should not) affect retaliation.

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