Very nice info for new players ya!
You can also drop the same BP twice if you donât immediately learn it. Happened to me yesterday with a mythical set helm BP. I didnât think about trading and sold it.
Edit: Nice guide btw, thanks!
Edit2: Shoutout to Ya_, I traded with him and he really made an effort to explain things and tried to find more good items for my build. Recommended!
youâre welcome!
You can also drop the same BP twice if you donât immediately learn it
hm⌠that means that you shouldnât actually learn them before you plan on using them, if you want them for trade purposes
Yes, although that might not be the best idea if youâre looking to find all blueprints or a specific one.
The odds of finding the same ones often arenât that big though, but still indeed farming mats is quicker
That is⌠kinda revolutionary. Too late for me though as Iâve been learning all BRs immediately after dropping as have most of the players, I imagine.
That should have been included in the trading guide: DO NOT LEARN ITEM BLUEPRINTS UNLESS YOU PLAN TO USE THEM. Stash them deep. Item blueprints are very valuable in terms of trading as they provide an easy way to minmax certain items.
^That is what I meant by
Once learned, they will never drop for a player again.
So to reiterate, there are 2 files of learnt BP: hardcore and softcore. It was pointed out elsewhere that you could delete your specific BP file, if you really, really wanted to start again.
But as mentioned above, saving it may mean you never see it again. So ymmv with your luck. :undecided: (or you see a few more common ones over and overâŚ)
It probably is worth noting for those that may want to try this angle, though. And probably should note the specific location drops that could be easily farmed, such as Manticore pet, or Mistborn. I have seen a few posts asking for the Manticore.
learning this felt quite revolutionary to me too, howeverâŚ
as trudel said, it really depends on what you want
learning them kind of increases the chance of getting all of them, while not learning them increases the chance of duplicates you can then trade
imo this would be an interesting route if you like to service the trading community or if you can sell them for a price so interesting that itâs worth it
but what amount of mats/iron/items would actually be worth that?
wouldnât that have to be astronomical?
I think youâre probably better of farming for the mats
that said, I will think about a way of including this option in the guide, without giving players the feeling that not learning BPâs is mandatory
You could also highlight the fact that many players will craft items for free/a small fee if you bring the mats. Takes some of pressure out of the whole BP thing.
Iâll make a section on crafting services
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Actually, yeah, now that I think of it, not learning BPs is stupid. :rolleyes: Scratch that. Till it hurts.
Another thing, once you start meddling with save files your game is no longer legit. You could as well go all the way and GDSTASH. Iâm not saying itâs wrong to do so - many top builders do it as you can only test so many configurations with the gear/mats from legit game (shoutout to Mad_Lee who doesnât and still comes up with top notch builds on regular basis). Itâs just that trading is for purists - players who strive for 100% legitimacy. Otherwise why even trade at all?
I agree, legit is legit
meddling with your save files is pretty much the opposite of that
of course the whole blueprint thing doesnât require you to do so
and there is of course also non-legit trading, which imo defeats the purpose of trading⌠to each his own I guessâŚ
There is an inaccuracy in the post above Iâd like to correct.
I wrote that there was no real way to target-farm scavenged platings. I was WRONG. Scavenged platings can be vendor-farmed by visiting Isaiah Reddan in Homestead, Morris Burton upstairs from Isaiah and then Hyram in Steelcap, Malmouth. Repeating this will net you scavenged platings but also lots of scrap, aether crystals, shards and clusters, other common and rare mats, potions, low and mid level relic blueprints and others. Vendorsâ stock is reset after visiting two other vendors but you have to buy something or they wonât be counted as visited.
Folks, letâs be honest. People who trade on a regular basis are very, very unlikely to be âlegitâ.
Unless somebody comes up with a 100% reliable way to âmarkâ items dropped in a modded game or generated through tools like GDStash, any piece of gear you obtain through trading is potentially ânot legitâ. All the other player has to do is not mention that he uses mods, or simply lie if you ask him, and youâre none the wiser.
The truth is, the more you trade with random players you find in these forums or elsewhere in the GD community, the more likely it is that youâve obtained gear that isnât âlegitâ. Human nature is what it is, and given that fact that so many players have said theyâll refuse to trade with anyone who isnât âlegitâ, non-legit players have a great incentive to lie because:
a) They canât get caught in the lie
b) If theyâre honest about their modding, they know a lot of players will refuse to trade with them
Consider how common stash mods are. If someone has used a mod or tool to increase their stash space, then nothing they offer for trade can be guaranteed âlegitâ. The reason this is true is because you have no way of knowing if the player would even have kept the item if not for their artificially enlarged stash space.
Now ask yourself what are the chances that none of the players youâve traded with were using a stash mod of any kind.
There is only one way to be âlegitâ, period: No mods, no trading.
A bit cynical, but your point is made. Thatâs why when I trade, I check with people I trust first, then I go to the general population. I suppose thereâs a bit of willful ignorance that comes with trading, but in my personal opinion, itâs far better than farming endlessly to get that one certain item.
Oh I definitely agree. My post was primarily aimed at those who refuse to trade with any modders because they want to stay âlegitâ.
Now I can understand not trading with somebody who openly proclaims that they created the item themselves with a tool like GDStash. Although Iâm not sure why someone who uses such a tool would bother with trading in the first place.
But trading with somebody that might be using a stash mod, or perhaps one of the mods that buffs hero spawns (which means more random drops), I donât see what the big deal is. Is it really such a big difference between trading with a player like that, vs trading from a pool of âlegitâ players with tens of thousands of hours in combined playtime? The players that use mods for more random drops are just simulating extra playtime, which is quite honestly the exact same thing that is going on when somebody seeks a âlegitâ trade from the community.
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There is an inaccuracy in the post above Iâd like to correct.
I wrote that there was no real way to target-farm scavenged platings. I was WRONG. Scavenged platings can be vendor-farmed by visiting Isaiah Reddan in Homestead, Morris Burton upstairs from Isaiah and then Hyram in Steelcap, Malmouth. Repeating this will net you scavenged platings but also lots of scrap, aether crystals, shards and clusters, other common and rare mats, potions, low and mid level relic blueprints and others. Vendorsâ stock is reset after visiting two other vendors but you have to buy something or they wonât be counted as visited.
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Folks, letâs be honest. People who trade on a regular basis are very, very unlikely to be âlegitâ.
Unless somebody comes up with a 100% reliable way to âmarkâ items dropped in a modded game or generated through tools like GDStash, any piece of gear you obtain through trading is potentially ânot legitâ. All the other player has to do is not mention that he uses mods, or simply lie if you ask him, and youâre none the wiser.
The truth is, the more you trade with random players you find in these forums or elsewhere in the GD community, the more likely it is that youâve obtained gear that isnât âlegitâ. Human nature is what it is, and given that fact that so many players have said theyâll refuse to trade with anyone who isnât âlegitâ, non-legit players have a great incentive to lie because:
a) They canât get caught in the lie
b) If theyâre honest about their modding, they know a lot of players will refuse to trade with them
Consider how common stash mods are. If someone has used a mod or tool to increase their stash space, then nothing they offer for trade can be guaranteed âlegitâ. The reason this is true is because you have no way of knowing if the player would even have kept the item if not for their artificially enlarged stash space.
Now ask yourself what are the chances that none of the players youâve traded with were using a stash mod of any kind.
There is only one way to be âlegitâ, period: No mods, no trading.
Actually, this discussion should fall outside of the scope of this guide, and might even be better adressed in its own topic.
I have only described the availability of legit and non-legit forum threads.
Itâs up to the player to decide if that is truly legit or not.
I do have an opinion on this though:
a) I agree, you can never be sure if someone is to be trusted, I do believe that the non-legit threads are there for people who want to trade while openly admitting to cheating items/mats/iron in.
However, they also serve the purpose of keeping the legit threads as clean as possible.
Does that work?
I canât tell, but it is very likely that not everything is as legit as they say.
In the end it really doesnât matter all too much, this is mostly about a sense/feeling of legitimacy.
I want item A and am willing to pay X for it.
If I was a cheater I might have added the item in already, defeating the purpose of trade altogether.
Now, if someone comes up with the item I want I can expect them to have come by it in an honest way.
Personally Iâm not cynical about that at all, because most traders wouldnât put the item up if they didnât have something to gain by it, which they donât want to cheat in.
If they got the item from a mod, and I am not refering to external tools here, there is the problem of possibly different drop rates.
That doesnât have an effect on âmy economyâ though, ignorance is bliss sometimes.
If the item is cheated or duped they are fooling themselves more than they are fooling me, they play the trading game without sense or purpose.
b) I want to make a distinction between GDstash and GDIA.
Increasing your stash space has no effect on the legitimacy of trade.
I know that is very obvious, but since youâre actually saying the opposite I think itâs good to note.
I also believe that there are people who use GDstash for stash purposes only, or intent to do so.
These people have to deal with temptation and of course that may result in crafted items being around.
The same applies though, there is no real effect on the economy due to the nature of Grim Dawn.
Jokeâs on them.
The reason this is true is because you have no way of knowing if the player would even have kept the item if not for their artificially enlarged stash space.
This doesnât matter at all imho.
Actually, this discussion should fall outside of the scope of this guide, and might even be better adressed in its own topic.
Fair enough.
It would be nice to have that Path of Exile have for trading something like poe.trade or trading with bots in one specific server.
bots completely screwed over the experience in D2, so no thanks
as for something like poe.trade, very unlikely to work for Grim Dawn because itâs a single player game mostly
letâs not forget that poe.trade indexes via ingame tabs