Guide to Making Guides

agree 100%.

while there’s nothing wrong with someone wanting to play in a challenging way, newbies looking at guides want to know how to play a certain build in an effective manner, not the opposite. they already have trouble with the game due to not having gear.

not every build needs to kill as fast as a blademaster but they should be reasonably optimized within their own capabilities.

whats fun for the reader isn’t for the op to decide is the for the reader to decide and i’m betting most people don’t have fun getting owned.

if people cannot handle negative feedback they shouldn’t post here, because feedback is what they are gonna get when they post a guide. we are not in kindergarten here, not everyone is a princess and not every build lives happily ever after. if the onlything they can accept is newbies praising their build and worshipping them, they are in the wrong place.

If the worst thing you see me do is make fun of certain parts of a build. you should really see the kind of personal attacks people do to me here lol. calling me arrogant, poser, retarded etc etc. you don’t see me go crying to a mod lol.

Don`t worry jajaja, you are one of best if not the best guide maker out here. I really enjoying reading your guides. :cool: Just hope to see more hc related builds in the future, like phy. warder or cadence witchblade :wink:

But aren’t those basically the same difference. Personally I don’t care as I am sure I have had way more posts deleted then he has (I’m a dick so it’s not my fault :cool: )

The rest of this has nothing to do with what I quoted :slight_smile:

I just don’t get why people get so worked up about other peoples builds. I mean the whole point of giving you choices in how to build your character is so that not every character ends up the same.
Now if people specifically ask for help in making their build better, then by all means go for it.
I’ve always just used the skills I enjoy, and try to combine them in different ways. I don’t give a shit that people don’t like TSS, or they think Blood Rite is trash. I was using CT long before Most made it cool. (As Lightning Nova just wasn’t cutting it in Ultimate in B29 so I switched my LN builds to CT) I have many chaos based Sigil builds even tho Vitality is just stronger.
Just do you and let others do themselves. There’s plenty of ways to make builds, not all of them will be good in your eyes or mine. But who gives a shit, I mean how does it really effect you.

There is nothing wrong in criticizing a build and offering some construtive feedback to aid the OP to optimize his build, but if you’re gonna drop sarcastic, witty or provocative remarks like “can you fight a real boss without 100 consumables tho?”, don’t expect the build creator to take your feedback in a construtive way, as chances are you’re trying to arbitrary mock the build and trying to provoke a reaction from the OP.

it doesn’t affect me. im here to have fun, and speaking my mind on this forum when i free like it is fun for me. i don’t feel the need to be a carebear about my comments and nor do i except so from others in stuff i post.

are u seriously saying that no one should say any negative comment in a build thread? that the only form of comments allowed are compliments?
no one is saying u can’t play the game the way u want, but if u post a guide here, ur opening urself up for comments, good or bad, that’s the whole point.

sure, i talk in a “nicer” fashion when the build writer isn’t acting like his build is some second coming of christ. look when you title your build like “INVINCIBLE 100K+ DPS TANK CANNON” in all caps, and if you can’t really back it up in your gameplay vids. then someone just might leave a sarcastic comment.

and in general my comments whether sarcarstic or nice, are directed at a portion of the build. i don’t make attacks on people.

You wanna see some of the negative “feedback” i’ve gotten in my guides on the titling convention alone?

do you see me crying to the moderators? no, cuz im not a 15yr old princess. i don’t give a shit. you post stuff on the internet, some people will like it and some won’t and they are free to speak their mind. get used to it.

and thanks to whoever is supportive of me, glad your enjoying the builds.

Thought this was supposed to be a guide or something. Why for the last 4 pages has it been almost exclusively arguing over whether or not one person respects another person’s builds? Seriously, when you’re criticized you have two reasonable options: you take it into consideration or you ignore it. Getting into some pissing contest over it is completely pointless.

Well, this thread has completely devolved into something completely unintended. I was gonna chill out and redo the guide at a lazy hour at work but boy now it is almost completely unnecessary.

I’d like to completely overlook the unnecessary name calling about how certain build/guide writers go to other builds/guides and criticize them, because the inherent problem lies with the fact there is a difference between a build and a guide.

A build is a package of gear, attributes, skills, and devotions to make a certain type of gameplay viable and/or fun. A guy posting a build can just say [BUILD] on the title and not explain why and what he did to make the build. Because that’s the point of his post, he’s not there to help you how to find out how he got there and why he made certain choices.

A guide on the other hand is a reasonably well reasoned explanation of a build. It has to provide pertinent information on the build, and the reasons why it works and/or why the author considers it fun. On the other hand, there are a lot of questions asked about basic information because, let’s face it, guide writers and the rest of the population that has completed the game on Ultimate at least once are a very small minority.

If your guide allows a player to do better at the game, i.e say complete Elite and face Ultimate, then more people are going to play this game longer and they’re going to get their friends to play too. I’m not saying “help the devs by helping the newbies”, but let’s make the game more popular. It is already popular, and I can understand that there are people who ask for a step by step per 10levels leveling guide, which honestly seems a bit extreme for me, but a brief reasonable explanation should be okay right?

To someone who said a WoW guide doesn’t need to have videos and therefore shouldn’t be needed for GD either - sorry but I don’t see why a WoW guide needs a video for explaining rotations. In the end there are maybe 1 or 2 optimized rotation priority lists for a character like say Fury Warrior. But there are dozens of builds for, say a Commando, and the builds have a lot more complexity than a WoW guide, so yes a video is more relevantly important for a GD guide than for a WoW guide. Whether it’s mandatory or not it’s up to you, and I apologize if my guide implied that.

That’s all I’m going to say on the subject. I’ll come up with a v2.0 guide based on some of the reasonable suggestions made by posters in this thread.

To be fair, if the namecalling goes on and on I’d like for this thread to be closed and further, hopefully a more reasonable discussion to be made in another thread.

And yes, no more drunk posting for me :smiley:

I think most of the hate is due to this comment:

IMO, while I agree with most of your guide, I think this comment of yours is just stupid. Posting times in title is no different then putting something like “Ultimate Viable” in title. Posting times is just a more accurate way of saying ultimate viable. Ultimate viable is really vague, how viable is viable? Kill times/clear speeds easily answers that while implying the build is ultimate viable at the same time. Also I don’t see how it is egoistical especially when the kill times jajaja for example posts are not even the fastest or best kill times. It’s not like he says his builds are the best ever or anything like that. What other ways are there of objectively stating how good or viable a build is?

tl;dr, kill times in title = same as “ultimate viable” in title, just more accurate.

Well, I cannot agree on that so let’s agree to disagree. However I would like the titles to be something that doesn’t end with “etc etc” or “blah blah”. A little more precision in the titles would be nice.

I don’t understand why you disagree. Kill time is precision. You could add stuff like ultimate viable or steamrolls ultimate or ultimate destroyer, but those are subjective, your understanding of steamrolling and my understanding of it might be different. Even tags like ultimate capable is vague, does that mean the build can just barely do ultimate or can it steamroll ultimate? How do you add a tag to title that tells readers that this build can steamroll ultimate without being vague or subjective? Kill time is one of few ways to objectively measure performance.

i have read all the post of you guys and i have to agree with the point of view of jajaja.
i’am gonna speak as a jerk elitist gamer, i have started this game few months ago so i’am pretty new in this community
and i feel so depressed when i saw how HARD it is to find EFFICIENT build for this game since the forum / youtube
are flooded by complete garbage guide, jajaja’s build was like a sunlight in hell.(few other guys bring excellent build too)
Ultimate difficulty is complete joke when u start to get well geared and many people feel godlike because they
can clear it with the least efficiency ever seen.
i play myself with what i consider tier1 / 2 / 3 build and enjoy all of them, but deargod i see no reason for a newcomer to play
a tier25 build which is sadly the vaste majority of build the community as to offer

i understand that people can get fun otherwise than efficiency but a little of it wont kill anybody.

to conclude, sorry to speak mindfreely but all those sh*tstain build will collapse like fly if Crate bring a system similar to greater rift like diablo 3,
hopefully so with Survival Mode.