How to make your own Gladiator: a guide

[sir_spanksalot]

It’s a little better than that except in very fringe edge-cases (at very low values of OA and DA). Reducing enemy OA by some amount is much better than gaining the same amount of DA, and vice versa, due to how OA and DA interact. As a rule of thumb, an OA/DA reduction is about equivalent to gaining 10% more than that value of OA/DA; e.g., a 180 Reduction is roughly a 198 (180 + 18) gain.

Can I trouble you for the math?

EDIT: In my very first post here, someone mentioned that OA/DA debuffs are less effective than flat OA/DA stacking because flat OA/DA gets boosted by your %OA/DA bonuses.

[malawiglenn]

It’s a little better than that except in very fringe edge-cases (at very low values of OA and DA). Reducing enemy OA by some amount is much better than gaining the same amount of DA, and vice versa, due to how OA and DA interact. As a rule of thumb, an OA/DA reduction is about equivalent to gaining 10% more than that value of OA/DA; e.g., a 180 Reduction is roughly a 198 (180 + 18) gain.

Can you, from the PTH and CC formula ( http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?p=251346#post251346 ) explain that rule of thumb?

PTH = (OA-DA+1275)/15
CC=1-(90)/(max[100,PTH]))

Seems to me that the reduction vs. gain is purely additive. A reduction of DA with 180 gives same CC as if you would add 180 to OA. Or is it (as the poster above me suggested) the %OA you can stack with gear, skills and devotion?

Another question: how can you actually play crucible, the amount of flashy effects is giving me an epileptic seizure. Completely un-playable.

[veretragna]

It’s a little better than that except in very fringe edge-cases (at very low values of OA and DA). Reducing enemy OA by some amount is much better than gaining the same amount of DA, and vice versa, due to how OA and DA interact. As a rule of thumb, an OA/DA reduction is about equivalent to gaining 10% more than that value of OA/DA; e.g., a 180 Reduction is roughly a 198 (180 + 18) gain.

Correct.
I checked this out to confirm: 2820 enemy OA vs 3000 defender DA is 84.9 PTH, while 3000 enemy OA vs 3180 defender DA is 85.0 PTH. It’s a little difference, but if you stack it enough, difference skyrockets.

Thank you for correction!

OP updated.

someone mentioned that OA/DA debuffs are less effective than flat OA/DA stacking because flat OA/DA gets boosted by your %OA/DA bonuses.

Every character I know have both flat and % DA in their DA chart, so I think this difference can be ignored. Stacking DA and shredding enemy OA are different, you can use both mechanics if you can, you basically want the result.

[feelgodstoya]

up
i read every single part of it… well done man.

waiting more

[veretragna]

TY!
Thinking about expansions to this guide, but most probably I described all this game has to offer.
Except Auramancers and Retaliators probably, but I don’t play them anyway

[Mantis]

Excellent guide, veretragna. That must have been a lot of work.

[veretragna]

Is here someone interested in a russian translation of this guide? I’ll anyway post this in VK group, but is it needed here as well?
Edit: I think it’s no.

[Drokalypso]

Is here someone interested in a russian translation of this guide? I’ll anyway post this in VK group, but is it needed here as well?
Edit: I think it’s no.

I think with the number of views that these threads get, it’s safe to say that a Russian translation would be appreciated. But you probably won’t get a reply. I think this board has about a 30:1 lurker/user ratio…

[veretragna]

Update.

• Highlighted some things that may be hard to see over the guide.
• Added the remark on stacking OA more than 3700 in chapter I. 5. 3.
• Extended the description of Ulo constellation in chapter II. 2. 6.
• Added Avatar of Mercy to circuit breakers list in chapter II. 2. 8.
• Added the remark on CDR impact on Celestial powers in chapter II. 2. 9.
• Added a little chapter II. 2. 11: Dodge and deflect chance.

Credits to @Safarel.

[sir_spanksalot]

Haven’t read it in depth, but in case you didn’t mention it - %CDR does NOT affect item granted skills like doomforce, or bloodthirster.

DSIT: However, IIRC, -x CDR applies to it (e.g. aeons).

[veretragna]

Haven’t read it in depth, but in case you didn’t mention it - %CDR does NOT affect item granted skills like doomforce, or bloodthirster.

DSIT: However, IIRC, -x CDR applies to it (e.g. aeons).

You want me to describe full game mechanics in a short guide?
I highlighted what is important for Gladiator and that’s it.
Edit: hm, now I think it’s worth mentioning, though.

Edit2: added this: “Item granted active skills (Doomforce, Bloodthirster etc.) are not affected by % CDR but are affected by -x seconds CDR.
Item granted passive skills (Divine Light etc.) are not affected by any kind of CDR.”

[sir_spanksalot]

Hahahahahaha. Sorry veretragna.

[Safarel]

Glad that you add my little edits.
Good guide anyway.

[veretragna]

Glad that you add my little edits.
Good guide anyway.

You are welcome!

[veretragna]

Update.

• Added Ravager’s Eye and Potent Ravager’s Eye in the list of easy ways to obtain DA in chapter II. 1. 3.
• Expanded the explanations for shield-wielding characters in chapter II. 2. 10.
• Expanded the list of characters making good use of CDR in chapter II. 2. 9, also made a correction: CDR “stacks” instead of “can stack”.
• Added a “Credits” section to the last chapter.

Credits to @korsar.

[veretragna]

Update.

Added a link to Russian translation of the guide just under the title picture.

[veretragna]

Update.
Only Russian translation is affected: minor visual improvements and correct translation of “Circuit breaker”.

[sir_spanksalot]

Bumping this because I don’t think this guide is used half as much as it should.

[veretragna]

Bumping this because I don’t think this guide is used half as much as it should.

Thanks, I suppose that too.
Maybe one kind moderator walking around will make this thread sticky?

[sir_spanksalot]

You know what could be the problem bro? The title.

Maybe people think it’s going to be a highly item dependent guide (after all we are talking about gladiators).

Perhaps a title change to - “explaining the art of theorycrafting” or something to that effect might help.

What do you think?