Krieg's MageHunter Aether Panetti/Stormbox theorycraft

Grim Dawn Classes, Skills and Builds
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So I’m thinking something like this could potentially be fun:

MH Aether Panetti/Stormbox

-lots of leech on panetti and might be durable as a result - even with somewhat-lowish health
-couple of devotion proc spams (arcane bomb, aetherfire)
-might be fun to run around with stormbox tethers
-ok-ish resistances outside the seal.
-damage should be decent.
-Raise the dead sucks, but might add some company for the journey - so worth a try.
-ring choices are for the flat, as %wpn is 88%

(I didn’t bother with Time Dialation as I don’t think it’ll be that critical here. but depends on your pov).

Thoughts?

(I have no plans to test this atm, though)

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I theorycrafted once something like this. It’s unfinished because it looks shit, imo: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/62a4yQxN

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Interesting. I ran though that combo.

I thought about Grava pants, but decided it would be too specific. The medal however, is the build-enabler; but I think most any prefix/suffix on the Medal will do (even without the sorcerer prefix).

There are a couple of blue/purple regular pants that will do the job. But to be fair, probably any decent resist-filling green pants will do. +3 death sentence will not make or break this.

Magelord rings have potential, but I weighed the %aether against the large flat of the EH pair - which also have some similar needed resists. And even with an aether focus, there’s still a bit of elemental % for the proc for some secondary type damage. So I figured …meh…go for some secondary damage.

I went for big LL, in my concept.

But yeah, lots of potential ways to go on this idea. That MI medal is a pretty strong conversion tool.

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Interesting idea stacking weapon damge to PRM.But why not maggelord rings,you have plenty of elemental damage for conversion even outside panetti and storm box.Maybe for sustain bat or fiend can be used,ofc you have life steal.Critical damage is too low,you crits will not hurt.
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/L2JzOR42 Maybe something like that.

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It’s got around 50% crit on panetti. You could easily move out of Revenant and into dead god, if you really wanted more crit. Or add points to EB and/or Seal.

I was going for high-leech concept.

And with the weapon damage convert elemental->aether…I wouldn’t say that PRM won’t hurt. EH pair is for the 64 flat that gets 88% converted to aether via PRM.

I’m not familiar with Stormbox, though. So I can’t judge how much 200% aether might influence things via stormbox. (which is ~ 10% damage, relative to current %)

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Maybe you are right.For conversion depends how much of damge you are dealing is main skill versus other skills and procs.If panetti and storm box are dominating by large margin the EB rings are better.I am not sure how well is working aetherfire in current patch,but when i tried it was bad.This build has to be tested,but i think can work well,but spellbinder just looks so fluent.

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Don’t take it personally but spec is very underoptimized. Here are my thoughts:

  • Elemental Harmony rings are useless here without Elemental to Aether conversion and Elemental RR

  • 99% sure that an off-hand with +1 to Arcanist skills to further overcap Panetti would be better here, 22% weapon damage does really nothing to panetti builds

  • Conduit for Aether Panetti is a must

  • Not taking last nod in Time Dilation when you have Mirror is just outright criminal

  • Aether pants here >>> Barbaros

  • Armor Absorption will matter here since we can take our total armor to ~2k ish with all the crafted items

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All interesting points and such. I was aiming for something a little different than your typical PRM offhand build for a little variety. I’m just throwing the idea out and not taking any offense at suggested improvements. I will say, though, that the flat from the EH pair sees 88%x100% conversion at the PRM skill level for ~55 flat aether.

I’d be good if you linked how you would optimize it, to show your approach.

The whole point of the thread is to introduce a new combo idea to the community and provide a variety of approaches to using this weapon/crest combo.

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I all for variety except when it hurts build efficiency. Like if there was any upside for taking two pistols, sure. But you are sacrificing both damage and survivability when you take two pistols for a tiny bit more of ADCtH.

Here is a rough sketch of what I would’ve done.

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Definitely an interesting take.
At a brief look, I’d say both PRMs are similar in damage. I think you underestimate the value of the stepping %wpn/flat vs 10% more damage due to %aether bonus (and a point drop to proliferation, and some %pre-convert via supercharged. Haunt ring has RR, but so does haunt relic.

And perhaps playstyle might influence our ideas. Reliance on MoE, etc. Other than MoE, there’s not a lot of cd influence to me (well, in your case with the offhand + devastation, yes).

Thanks for posting.

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What was the point of overload? Take one point Word of Agony for more radius.

Fun idea in general! :slight_smile:

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Overload is irrelevant, yes. I just could not resist 10 free points, lol. But as you say…better some where else.

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The build would perform better if you drop stormbox and second gun for Devastation.
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2E8brbN
Or just drop the box. Why bother with box for 200 flat aether ?

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Because it’s there and it’s less boring than a coffee-cup build? :stuck_out_tongue:

(well, tbh - I’ve never used the tether --and I’ve just been imagining skip-roping with the mobs… + I so want Inquis to be more interesting than just 4 general skills +RoH + procs…)

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Its so exiting to spend 22 skill points on a skill with 200 flat dmg. .=) /s Definitely a next-level gameplay experience.

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Your coffee mug need to get better at math. He spent 18 points.

-135 DA shred is quite nice, but yeah… devastation xD

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Just check tooltip on prm with your spec and with mine and see for yourself. And cdr affects EVERYTHING. It’s the most valuable stat in the game, esp on casters.

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Maybe stormbox will get better in FG.

Just check tooltip on prm with your spec and with mine and see for yourself. And cdr affects EVERYTHING. It’s the most valuable stat in the game, esp on casters.

I don’t have the game installed atm, but what I see on the PRM GT numbers is:

My quick and dirty overall guestimate as the current builds compare = maybe 25% more prm from DW during the peak, and about even when battlecry is on cd.

Aether %

[INDENT]-without only permanent buffs = ~250% more aether
-with battlecry active ~ 100% difference and when in the seal(Arcane Empowerment) ~bit less than equal %aether
…but there will be some time where battlecry is not up or are not in a seal, so =~10-15% damage difference during this time

~Mostly equivalent stuff:-your hungering void adds some crit(40%); but Seal(AE),HoM ammy, Supercharged add about the same to prm . Cast speed is ultimately maxed for both.
-you have the conduit (45 flat), but EH pair is (56 flat)
-your prm levels are slightly lower on last 2 skills:supercharged (38%vs75%) Proliferation(~14 flat); distortion is 1 point higher(~13 flat).
…maybe supercharged is not converting as I think: first skill, then item conversion? -> Supercharge difference should actually result in ~30% more overall elemental of base skill, if conversion order is as I think.

Not so equivalent:
-with dual pistol there is a bit more more %wpn flat from various sources to prm (varies from 22% if common to both builds or 88% if unique): reckless, wraith, seal (AE), second pistol flat. ~ 100 more flat to prm, just as a quick estimate
*note that I’m guessing that DW are both applied here for %wpn, but you never know with %wpn and DW in this game!
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However, I can’t really argue except with the Gtool numbers, which could be misleading.

Also, I didn’t think cdr had any effect on equipment procs?

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I am really lazy to gdstash both specs and compare them, I wish I wasn’t :stuck_out_tongue:

CDR does affect every devotion and your mirror and your WoR and Seal, etc. tho

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The idea is interesting but I’m afraid it’s impossible to stack so much flat to PRM that it makes up for not using regular BiS (except in sustain). But maybe I’m wrong… Sustain is sweet. Don’t have take no stupid Bats or use Haunted Steel as a crutch. But one can feel this particular setup was put together quick (no dis intended, just saying). So, feedback.

First, why not binder? It’s not like it’s totally overplayed and old lol.

Second, the rings, man… I know, I know, 60 flat and all. But over 200% extra aether from good ol’ Haunt+something is +10% total damage here (and on everything not just your main). And the extra rr from Haunt is super important as was proven by John_Smith whose Agrivix with Haunt beat all double Albrecht experiments that should be faster in theory because of WAY more flat. Or Magelords: you get less flat but, again, %dmg on plus some conversion for…

…hey, where is Devastation? This and what Mad_Lee said about TD: Gldiam Arcanum don’t look kindly upon that shit…

Also, devotions: Imp without fire to aether is an imp and no need put seven points in Hydra when you got slow res from Aeon. Dying God is a no-brainer when you go blue and got enough red.