I recently decided to experiment with builds other than poison. Was using grimcalc to do it, i noticed these three costellations and i was surprised to see how bad they were compared to the other tier-3 constellations.
Now, i’m judging these constellation based on how a possible build around them would fare in ultimate.
Dying God-
Overall, a great constellation. Probably would’ve been the best for chaos builds if not for that skill. The skill it grants has 100% chance of activating and would’ve been a great skill if not for the fact that uses a portion of active health per second (Health regen). The only way to compensate this (that i can think of) is get good health regen gear and miss out on damage/resistance. Or just simply go for a Chaos-Witchblade to compensate for the health regen loss. One can however, choose not invest in the skill and pick up the damage modifers, but it kinda feels off to do that. I don’t think anyone besides a Chaos-WB can use this skill and survive ultimate.
Tree of Life-
This one is anything but tier-3. I was thinking of trying to make a build to suit this but i simply couldn’t. I mean health regen is great and all, but i didn’t see this to be any better than the abomination except for the fact that ToL offers energy regen as well. The granted skill is also pretty underwhelming.
I simply can’t see this constellation in the third tier. Although i would appreciate it if you guys know of any builds that can use this constellation and clear Ultimate Log.
Light of Empyrion-
Empyrion- this guy must play a major part in the future expansion(s) considering all the speculation around him and the fact that he has two tier-3 constellations to his name.
Now, this constellation is also not worthy to be in tier-3. First of all i had to take a really awkward path to it, then again i am not really an expert when it comes down to constellation choices, but i’m not bad with them either. I am 85% sure that the path to this constellation makes no sense as it doesn’t help overcome this constellation’s shortcomings. This is a fire constellation, atleast that’s what i gathered. But the modifer and raw fire damage are no better than a tier-2 constellation. The Resistances offered by it (Elemental and Vitality) seem pointless since they’re the easiest ones to max (and go over cap) by ultimate (atleast in my experience). The skill offered by it is pretty good though but the bad constellation choices and the not so good modifers/resistances offered by the “stars” of the constellation itself don’t make going for that skill worthwhile. A build could be made, but it’d have to be crazily gear specific and even then it would be much more prudent to go for Meteor Shower (Ulzuin’s Torch)
Also,
I could be wrong but Menhir constellation seemed almost useless to me but i think it’s meant for retaliation builds, so i’d appreciate if someone can correct me on its uses. And i find the lack of Lightning constellation weird. We have separate constellations for almost all major damage types, but lightning has been awkwardly clubbed with Aether.
150 Armour is insane, that’s to each slot, so definitely a good stat there. 25 + 5% DA is also nice, but personally I only ever put 3 points into Menhir’s if I happen to have a load of blue and yellow constellation affinity.
I have a spellbreaker in hardcore ultimate that utilizes Dying God. It uses PBlades as its primary skill and focuses heavily on Crit%. It is VERY strong because of the life leech buff from a couple patches ago. The overall Dying God buff is perfect since pblades has vit and chaos, the speed is nice since i don’t hit 135% movement speed. I stacked healing augs on my character, Also using Pneumatic Burst at 16/12 just so i can hit 9.0 hrp/s, 1094 physique.
I would not try on a character unless it has some kinda lifesteal and won’t actually die if their hp gets low and have negative regen. I do think its too high especially since hrp/s scales up on it. On casters you can almost have 100% uptime which is why i use it on pblades.
Tree of Life isn’t as good anymore since things were balanced out. It used to be broken when the ‘meta’ was stack defensive devotions. It is still strong if you’re playing a support character, for solo play it isn’t worth unless you really need to pump defensive devotions to survive. Energy regen is rarely an issue on most builds.
Menhir’s obelisk is great for the bottom three stars. I really wish aether was found elsewhere rather than mixed with lightning, i never found the synergy to be amazing
True energy regen is rarely an issue on most builds. Your point about pumping defensive devotions is something i considered, even then Abomination would be a more logical choice for hp regen. Other than that Turtle/Tortoise seems like a nice little defensive constellation as well. No way ToL is an Ultimate worthy constellation
Dying God is very good I think. Some builds can naturally go for it even if they have no vitality and chaos damage. Like Two handed builds. They have Kraken already, then viper etc.
It gives loads od flat OA and % OA and the skill has +30% crit damage. Not bad.
Look at Jajaja’s two handed elementalist build just as an example. He dropped Spear of the heavens for Reckless Tempest and dying god and seems to be doing well.
Menhir like the above said has good nodes at the bottom. Has a block node which is pretty valuable. The skill is better for mutiplayer. The % retaliation is pretty low for a T3 devotion. (doing a retaliation build at the moment)
Tree of Life I’ve never used. Don’t know if that means something.
Light of Empyrion. I wanted it to work so bad for a Fire templar type build…I eneded up going for Spear of the heavens and lightning. Spear has 0.5 cooldown and Empyrion Light has 4 seconds. It’s just too much. And the Confuse is annoying. I want stuff to hit me so it does damage. It’s too devensive.
A lot of the defensive devotions feel bad because they had to be gutted to drag them out of the meta for devotions people used. Seriously, it used to be stack every defensive devotion you could fit, and be done with it. You lost out on a LOT of the cool stuff you could do, because you had to just max defense in old ultimate. The newer ultimate from recent patches is far more forgiving, not that it’s a bad thing, but it used to be that you would farm for full BIS gear before even going INTO old ultimate. Now? I pretty much just run strait from normal into elite into ulti, which is where I start doing my farming.
Tree of life is ok. I never go for it but if I happen to be close I usually get the rest of the points in to get the tree. It offers enough energy regen to make sure you need no other source and builds that don’t get a lot can really help from it. The hp and regen is pretty decent too but yes it’s nothing great.
Also Obelisk of menhir is amazing. I go for it on almost all my builds. It offers flat armor, lots of DA and stun and freeze resist. I don’t complete it, just usually get them 5 nodes. But since a lot of chars don’t get easy DA that helps and stun and freeze will kill DW and caster chars a lot so that can save you too. I think it’s a very solid devotion even if your not retaliation.
I have an aether caster that is using Tree of Life. She is currently sitting at Homestead after killing the Amalgamation in A3 Ultimate, HC and self found.
The 17% life bonus helps to get other item affixes than vitality. Using lots of green items. The regen helps me to stay alive as there is no attack damage converted to health to fill my health bar, I can face tank trash and most normal heroes. And my chest piece has 200 armor value…
I think it is an okay constellation. Maybe the first node could offer something better than +5% health, since the two health nodes at the crossroads grant the same amount. But is okay enough for T3?
Never looked it at that way, i guess you’re right.
Still i’m surprised that a tier-3 retalliation constellation exists (i mean it strictly isn’t limited to retaliation but still) and yet we don’t have a lightning constellation.
Did the other primordials decided to demote Ultos?:rolleyes:
I am pretty sure Mogdrogen is an ascendant and was either created by Ultos or used to be devout worshipper. He was mortal once, he may be older than cairn but that “old” status doesn’t automatically make him a primordial
Probably something like that. Wasn’t thinking that Mogdrogen is Ultros just that they might be related somehow. Not sure what to think really. reckless tempest has Ascendant and Primordial rquirements. So maybe a T3 dedicated to Ultros would have the same. Maybe it’s saved up for Expansion where I hope they give a lot more lore about this and other Gods not just new stuff that makes me ask even more questions.
These constellations are good for the right builds. Not the worst t-3 constellations by any means.
Dying God: Chaos builds are not the best right now. Evidence is this gets better with 1.0.0.6 and the future expansion. 275 health/sec is manageable without difficulty since there is so much regen in this game.
Light: Things up in that corner are most useful for shield builds. I have a Firestrike Commando using this and the proc is probably even better than Blind Fury is for physical based characters. But it’s not great for non-fire builds. It does also have chaos/aether resist on it which is helpful.
Tree: This is a great skill. The metagame has moved away from it, but it’s still great. Your question about whether any build can use this and clear ultimate log is silly. Go back and look at 1.0.0.2 and 1.0.0.3 build guides - it was considered a “must have” until everyone got caught up in Jajaja’s builds. It gives huge health regen and also solves the energy regen problem for any melee build. It is also up most of the time, unlike Giant’s Blood. The downside is you can’t get Oleron and Tree in the same build.
Obelisk: The bottom row plus the block chance node are very good.
I am very courious how you made it better. I’m serious because i like and tried the concept. Because Light has 4 seconds cooldown and Blind fury has 1 second so it’s spammable with high OA.
Light also confuses mobs which is very defnsive and prevents them from hitting you again. But most important is the large cooldown
Like Superfluff, i’m also interested in a GrimCalc of your build.
Well the point isn’t that it used to be good, the point is whether it’s good right now or not. I honestly feel it’s not very good as a Tier-3 constellation. Tree of Life is good, but just not Tier-3.
My thermite mine retaliation elementalist uses both Tree of Life and Light of Empyrion. They’re clearly designed for tank oriented builds. They give DA, resists and health. The path leading to them will usually net you plenty more DA. Chance to block etc. Very little OA though.
Not like 2 points into FS would do it any good, atleast Savagery adds to the Health regen. Also, why didn’t you go for Totem?
This builds looks interesting, not a fan of Thermite Mines but that’s my opinion. Question though, is this thing able to clear Ultimate Log? Is the Damage Output high enough for that?
