Sometimes I’m amazed of how much I can enjoy this game without understanding it completely.
Loghorrean’s fight is such a case, maybe you can help me out:
So I step down the Necropolis, meet Log and fight him. During that fight, Log sorta zips Ulgrim into the void, Log dies afterwards.
Then, in the next chapter, I step into the void and - ofc - find Ulgrim there.
BUT: Together with Loghorrean and parts of his room.
What happened here? Did Log also zip back into the void? But why? And how - I mean, he’s dead…?
And its not that his old spot in the necropolis is vacant then, is it?
I’m just speculating here cause I don’t think any of this is made particularly clear in the game, but my assumption was that either
a) Log may have just been an avatar. Like Mogdrogen, Korvaak or Ravager, he exists somewhere else (in Log’s case in the void) and essentially controls a flesh puppet in the material world. Its form was linked to the actual Log in the void though. When it kicked the bucket here, Ulgrim, who was ported to its location in the void, then killed it in the void as well while it was weakened.
b) In a lot of media (Diablo, Warhammer, Warcraft…so essentially just Warhammer and Blizzard games that were blatantly ripping stuff straight from Warhammer 'cause Metzen), demons are immortal and when killed in the material world go back to their home plane. Only if killed there do they actually die and never come back. So when Log was killed here and sucked back into the void it was summoned from, Ulgrim, who was already trapped in the void, killed it for real there.
All speculation though, not much of anything about Log is clear. Its lore is very sparse. We don’t know how it got into Necropolis in the first place. It may have been drawn into our world by the bloodshed during the war in the north, it may have been summoned by Bloodsworn. It may have emerged on the surface and been transported below when killed, it may have emerged underneath the Necropolis where we fight it. We don’t know what it’s been doing since the war Has it been dead and the Bloodsworn resurrected it? Has it just been sealed away, dormant but still living? Has it been gone and the Bloodsworn resummoned it to its previous location? Dunno. We don’t really even know what it is relative to Chthon. Its right-hand tentacle? Just some rando corrupted Kraken Chthon uses as a pet? A really powerful demon to us but not really significant in the Chthonic hierarchy? Dunno.
A lot of the lore is pretty nebulous and a lot of it either has missing pieces or is not further elaborated on after the end of its own storyline. Like, for instance, who’s talking after you kill Korvaak’s avatar? I was always 100 % convinced it was Empyrion but there’s zero actual proof anywhere. All I can do is speculate.
Picked up somewhere … or did I come up with it?.. that it’s Dreeg.
Thanks for your opinion!
I think, some lore points out that Log must have been sealed the whole time - seal is broken before our hero arrives. I like your b) demon suggestion.
TBH, I dont get that whole void-swallow-theme at all.
Like, when you go to Void’s edge, you can see that huge Necropolis tunnel (in the middle is the portal).
As if the void has duplicates of real world sites.
Then again, dravis says [attention, spoiler ahead…] his home was swallowed by the void. You can also find it there. As if the void rips something out of reality instead of duplicating it… Which is it now?
My simple guess is - there are alternative dimensions, in where we live and where could have we been, but thanks to the aetherial powers we possess, I suppose we can travel in both dimensions, or even more, simultaneously.
Well, even though we can port back and forth between sites and see them as they were when we first encountered them, that’s really more of a game mechanic limitation (like you can refight Log or Theodin as much as you want, even though in story they’re both dead and the Fleshworks should be decaying by now). I think it’s perfectly possible that after the Log fight, its corpse rips a tear through reality and takes most of the Necropolis sublevels with it, hence why you find Log physically in the void along with parts of its surroundings.
I don’t think after Log dies it can do anything. It stays thereafter we kill it as far as I know. Like a sad big chungus.
That ripping through reality happened between Ulgrim & Log in a heated battle with us and nothing after we beat it to death. I would agree if it disappeared after death taking other’s parts with it but right now as u say, it may be due to game limitations it is like it is and perhaps you are right… it swallows parts of the necropolis.
No when you meet Ulgrim in the void he clearly states that he fought it in the void, that’s why he’s so messed up and can’t use his arm properly. So after you fought and killed it in the Necropolis, some aspect of it was still alive.
Maybe it was a copy of Log in the alternative universe. There could be more than one log, after all, talking from shattered realm experience. Duplicates, ya know. Avtar of Mogdogen has a duplicate too (next to his shrine and at start of Ancient Grove).
My interpretation is that you just banished the Loghorrean (you killed his physical form in Cairn) back into whatever dimension it came from and Ulgrim just by pure luck (or actually intentionally so that he wouldn’t be able to help humanity in Cairn) happened to be sent into the same dimension the Loghorrean was sent back to after the latter “died”.
Basically the Loghorrean is unkillable, but you can send it back to wherever it came from by basically kicking its ass.
The Cult of Ch’thon is trying to resurrect Loghorrean with wagon loads of blood, so that means that Log has been just a dead corpse lying around in that tomb. By destroying the wagons you interrupt the half completed ritual so I assume that what you are fighting is not the final form of Loghorrean, and/or not everything of his manifested being that exists in Cairn. If the cult ever completed the ritual, Log would possibly gain the ability to crawl out of the tomb and walk around on its’ tentacles, vomiting on everything in its’ path. Maybe in Grim Dawn 2
Log’s full name is “Loghorrean, the Voice of Ch’thon” so yea it’s possible that it’s a manifestation of Ch’thon itself.
Now I wonder, what exactly is Kra’vall, Ancient of the Waters? Also another manifestation of Ch’thon or something entirely diffrent? I mean it looks exactly like Log, just has a swampy green color to match the surroundings. I guess it must have something more in common with Log than just the outer appearance…
