Lvl 57 HC Battlemage in trouble - desperate for more dps (but tanky)

Hi - decided to repost with Grimcalc skills

http://grimcalc.com/build/hR81LJD

Devotions crane dryad scales (i need it for energy) and turtle

57 HC battlemage and he’s got good resists
Max elem
65 acid
80 bleed
51 pierce
50 Aether Vitality
70 chaos
7.8k Life

Offesnive - 1059
Defensive - 1238
Dps 2141 - 2700 with fighting spirit.
I have PRM maxed with +1 all skills with blackwood wand

Should I add points till I get proliferation?
And get rid of Overload - it only gives me an extra 146dps

PLs pls - how do I increase dps?

My clearspeed in Veteran is great.
In Elite - it’s terrible.

Any feedback welcome

Thankyou very much

Turnip

NEVER POST A GRIMCALC WITH BONUSES FROM ITEMS WHEN ASKING FOR HELP

Also, you need to ask which damage type you want to focus on- Fire, Lightning, Cold or Aether?

You need to post which items you’re using and what other high level items you have

One obvious change i’d recommend is max out Inner Focus

And most importantly do you want to stick with PRM or switch to Calidor’s Tempest or something else (Elemental Cadence?)

Thanks for the response.
I’m using the Blackwood wand and would like to stick to PRM. But if there’s a better dps source I would consider it.

I’m also using Perdition two pieces - chest and gloves
Maiven’s tomb. Glory of the silver night helm.

Glacier Relic
Chthonian Belt
Combat medic.

TY

I’d consider this one

http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46950

Thanks - but that’s not a BM battlemage build.

:wink:

I believe that my problem with your build is that I don’t see a solid concept.
Basically the only thing that you are using the Soldier mastery for is a little tankyness, yet you have put a considerable amount of skill points in that mastery.
In general you build seems to lack synergies and useful skill combos.

PRM has no attack damage scaling, so it doesn’t matter how much base damage your weapon does, and so you usually don’t get a benefit out of wielding a weapon that would be good for a Soldier.
Additionally most of the active Soldier skills are probably of no use to you, either because you need a shield or two-handed weapon for them or because they don’t fit into the ranged PRM style of play.

So, I would generally suggest:

A) If you want to use PRM as your main skill, commit to it.

Get your Arcanist mastery score at least to 40 and completely max out PRM. Go for all the skills that boost your PRM, most prominently “Mental Alacrity”.
You could then decide on what types of damage to focus on - you could go for Reckless Power and Devastation, you could also go for Star Pact and Trozan’s Sky Shard.
The first would boost your PRM much more but would require a caster off-hand to use Devastation for some devastating (hah!) burst AoE.
The second would produce a weaker PRM but would give you a strong Trozan’s and would make it possible to use a shield for more tankyness.
Devastation and Trozan’s respectively would provide you with some burst damage to complement your skill set, e.g. helping you with bosses that force you to run away from them, making it hard to use PRM against them.

Regarding the equipment you would most likely wanna go with a caster implement (probably a scepter) and a caster off-hand because they just give you superior damage stats.
You could use a shield, enabling you to use many more Soldier skills, but there are not many shields that would even roughly compare with most caster off-hands in terms of stats provided that are useful for a PRM build.
You could also use a two-handed weapon but the situation here is not much better.
All of those are possible though and there is late-game equipment for those styles of play.

B) If you want to really make use of the Soldier mastery, let go of PRM.

In this scenario you might go for a Cadence build doing mostly physical and elemental damage.
You could also decide to have a mix, with "Blitz"ing into the enemy, using Olexra’s Flash Freeze followed up with a “Wrath of Agrivix”-transformed Callidor’s Tempest as a strong AoE combo, then using “Cadence”-powered default attacks to finish of the enemies.
You could also go for a build that uses Callidor’s as it’s main skill, not using default attacks (like with Cadence) at all.
You could also decide to either use one-handed weapon and shield, dual-wielding one-handed weapons, or using a two-handed weapon; either melee or ranged.
There’s many more options and all in all this route would offer much more distinct possibilities.

Some very general assessments:

  • Put at least one point in Inner Focus, Arcane Will, Nullification and Mirror of Ereoctes. Especially the last two would help you safe your character’s life over and over again; they are very very strong, no matter whatever build you play. I mean, “Mirror” is the only mastery-given skill that e.g. let’s you walk through ground patches of aetherfire or acid unharmed, so even if you only use it for utility it is literally unrivaled.
    [li]Also, even though we are talking about a hardcore character here, I would not max out Maiven’s, at least not if you are lacking damage and energy regeneration and don’t absolutely need it. Putting only three points in it will give you half the damage absorption that it’s max level gives you, with only a third of the energy cost per second.[/li]After all you got the Soldier Mastery for tankyness; and “Mirror” for critical situations. Seriously, just thinking about it, you are playing a hardcore character - go get Mirror of Ereoctes!

    [li]You can get loads of damage via devotions, yet, if I got you right, you don’t have taken any devotion that grants you damage. E.g. take a look at “Rhowan’s Crown” (great elemental damage plus resistance plus enemy resistance reduction) or at “Viper” (enemy resistance reduction plus resistance plus OA) or “Widow” and “Spear of the Heavens” (for aether and lightning damage and enemy aether/lightning resistance reduction).[/li]In any way I strongly suggest you get some devotion proc for your main skill to help you deal more damage. With PRM you could assign “Elemental Storm” from the Rhowan’s Crown constellation to your PRM and use your “Dryad’s Blessing” from the Dryad constellation on your Olexra’s.
  • Fighting Spirit is nice, but it’s rather suboptimal for a ranged character that ought to “stay out of trouble” anyway, so I wouldn’t put that many points in it. Especially as you have access to Arcane Will, which is the more reliable ability anyway. The OA is nice but you also have access to Inner Focus, so you don’t necessarily need Fighting Spirit for that.

Hi Turniphead!

PS: all opinion here, feel free to disagree or go with other peoples solutions. :slight_smile:

I’ve rejigged some of your skills, your OA is woefully low for elite, I’d be wanting minimum 1300 before fighting spirit turns on. I’ve dropped some points in that, in favour of flat OA, and % OA scaling on the soldier aura, and the arcanist passive.

There are some skill points left over for you to push into PRM where it will benefit most. I’ve left it setup as a mostly ele damage build, rather than a aether damage build (eventually you might get to 16-12-12-12, but for now either 16-1-12-1 or 1-12-1-12 is a starting point).

http://grimcalc.com/build/AXydbJm

you were at max ele resist, so I dropped the soldier passive down to rank 1 as it doesn’t need to be so high so early in the game. and eventually you end up with so much ele resist as an arcanist you 1 point with any +soldier all skills is tons.

Overall you should have a HUGE jump in OA, which should end up as a decent DPS boost (i bet you had < 100% to hit in Elite). for any more DPS increase it is going to be gear and devotion related. ie procs, as well as higher damage bonuses.

Hope my 2c helped! :slight_smile:
Enjoy :slight_smile:

Crap, just realised you had maxed maivens already!!

Drop 9 points out of that. drop 4 more points out of fighting spirit.
add 10 more points to arcanist, and pick up 3 points in relentless power exclusive buff. it gives +cast speed +fire dmg + aether dmg. So all DPS boost for PRM :slight_smile:

Thank you so much for your very lengthy feedback and your time.
Off to work, but will respond later.

I’d really like this guy to make it.

TYVM

Turnip

Hi

Thanks @space-time mogul for your long and interesting ideas.

I now have

http://grimcalc.com/build/97vIEUD

With no points in fighting spirit so pls ignore that.

I have 17 free skill points and now do 3145 dps which is better than the 1990 I was doing before.

I tried adding 4 points in field command and got no sheet dps from that so I’m consisdering putting the points in Sky shard as @space-time mogul suggested.

Thanks @StillSingle for your ideas. I’m a bit confused because when I put points in Field com I get no dps boost as I said.

I took out the points from fighting spirit.

And now have 17 points to spend!

Unfortunately I’ve f***ed myself due to too much respeccing and it costs me 3000 iron to respec a point. - just to add to the fun. LOL.

I’m seriously thinking about Skyshard as I have a +4 skyshard Gloves.
I’m using Maivens tome for offhand and Blackwood for +1 in all skills.

I’m also having energy probs so dropping some points in the PRM line as StillSingle suggested would help there.

Still a bit confused and can’t experiment a lot as respeccing costs so much now.

So, I’ll wait for a bit more feedback if anyone has the patience to offer any more advice. My gut instinct is Skyshard, but IDK - this game is much harder than POE where I was pretty good, getting a char to 98.

But I love this game. Im lvl 59 HC now, so I’ll just keep leveling

Just realised I could get star pact or recklesss power with the 17 points :slight_smile:

Thanks again for all feedback.
Most appreciated.

TY

Turnip

One advice: always max Field of Command. The extra Offensive Ability, Defensive Ability and armor helps quite a bit.

I think your dpw would be a lot better with metal alacrity maxed and fighting spirit lower. 9 is a lot for that one. A lot of people just put 1 point to get a boost for large mobs.

If you have 9 points in it and it doesnt trigger against a single target boss, thats a huge waste of points

Oh also have 3 points on the shield isnt really necessary, all you get is a barely shorter cooldown. So i would change that to 1 point

Next things to get asap is an exclusive skill and inner focus. Inner focus is one of the largest sources of %OA in the whole game

yeah definitely pick up reckless power. That will add to dps as it includes cast speed which effects PRM :slight_smile:

The other thing to remember about PRM is that it is an AOE spell. It’s sheet DPS is for hitting the one target :wink: then it splits, then it splits again! so as an AEO it is beast. As single target don’t expect it to get to 80k ticks that Aether ray can get to (according to some forum goer whom I have forgotten their name) in perfect gear.

Also, do you have gloves with Cast speed? If not, pick up any gloves that have “of celerity” on them. This can get up to about 18% cast speed, which is a direct boost to your Deeps :smiley:

glad you’re making progress! :slight_smile:

pity your way out of my time zone, could’ve teamed up and blasted some aetherials or Ch’thonians together :smiley:

another point I forgot to mention!

Drop 9 points out of Maivens.

then pout those 9 points into Devastation :smiley: feel the spread of EVERYTHING DIEING :smiley:

for bosses, pop mirror when standing next them, drop devastation on there head, and hold down PRM until mirror runs out and you need to dodge stuff again :smiley: should work until act 4 ultimate! well it did for my AAR battlemage :wink:

Hey, how come you only have 8 devotion points??? :eek:

there is about 20 ish in normal difficulty (i think its about 23).

You really want the Eel constellation to help DPS (it won’t show on the sheet, but it will help). :slight_smile:

It is 28 for first difficulty. I always gather 22 devotion points(2-3hours and 25 level equivalent) from crucible at the start of the game then i finish campaign so i have 50 at the start of elite.

@Turniphead:
Well, if you are still running around with that Blackwood Wand and a Maiven’s Tome at level 59 - that will be part of your problem.
The casting speed that the tome offers is still nice on that level but the rest of the stats is just not good enough to keep up with any halfway decent caster off-hand on that level.
For example a level 58 Empowered Crushing Will may well offer +100% elemental damage and a 20+ percent casting speed increase.
And the +1 to all Arcanist skills on that Blackwood Wand ist also still nice, but it lacks practically everything else.

I can only guess here, but I think that with more decent gear you could probably get 30 or 50 percent more DPS, with great gear you might probably even more than double your DPS.
So I guess my advice would be to try and get your hands on more decent gear. Go farm a little bit, be it in elite or in veteran difficulty.
The drop chances in elite are better, but quite some areas in veteran are still viable for farming with a level 60 character, for example the Bastion of Chaos.
Another option would be to look at faction gear, but I don’t know how high your reputation is with the relevant factions (or what factions offer good gear for your character; I always have to look that up…)

Oh, and appart from that:
Iskandra’s Elemental Exchange won’t do much for your PRM.
It will increase your energy regeneration, which is fine since you need it, but it will only apply it’s damage to any skills that deal a percentage of weapon damage; which PRM does not.
Overload on the other hand increases your elemental damage by a percentage, and so it will also boost your PRM.

Okay - firstly many many thanks for all the feedback - I’ve gone for this:

http://grimcalc.com/build/BkjK85q

Now I have 18 in Trojans which is what I really needed vs champions.
I’m killing them real quick now. Due to my cool downs I can use it with 2.5 second skill recharge. So with that I’m killing things much faster.

I have 30 devotion points and have gone with Dryad Scales Turtle Tsunami

I have 3 points stuck in Scholars which are a bit wasted. (I can’t unspec them as they are bound to their own devotion, so I don’t know how to get rid of them.)

But anyhow - I’m doing fine in Elite - some scary moments as I’ve moved to act 2 - so I agree with above poster and will max field command next. May even reduce PRM a bit to get some points in there. As there were some scary moments with trolls who throw fire grenades - almost ripped.

I don’t know if tunsami is any good but I had the points for it.
I’m going to level in Cronleys for rep and items.

I’m killing very fast with this setup - now I need more HP really. It’s odd with elite that even with almost all res very high including chaos at 68 bleed 80 pierce 70 acid 65, I’m still taking a lot of damage with 7770 HP.

TY again for all the kind help, and Trozan’s is giving me the burst damage I needed.

Took some time of today to level a SC Bleed conjuror, which was relaxing after nearly ripping 3 times on HC.

Kudos

Turnip

tyvm

Great to hear you making progress again :slight_smile:

http://grimcalc.com/build/GFbL0go
no item bonuses.

this is my sparky build. so more squishy than you should end up. finished elite log and all bonus content (except mad queen as I don’t think it’s worth). got through with 7k health.

relies on the freeze and stuns and confusion to stay alive, rather than pure tank stats. It’s down to 2 seconds trozans sky shards now.

I still think you are under invested in passives with your current setup. No field command, no inner focus. boosting these will mean you crit more often, and that helps trozan’s heaps. Also, you’ve gone for two attacking spells that have huge point investments, this will leave you very short on skill points… :slight_smile: Whereas if you look at mine, I’ve gone for a cheaper spam attack, and not fully maxed Trozans (it will end up 16-1-12 before bonuses). so that I have plenty of points to allocate to passive like star pact, inner focus, etc :slight_smile:

anyways, great to hear you’re moving forward again :slight_smile: have fun!!