More Characters slots? I hit steam cloud cap...

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Ok yeah I do have some GOG games and use their Galaxy thing. ARPGs are really the only genre I would ever make 50 characters.

mamba, that would be great to learn more computers skills but am in a universe of limited time and I don’t even have kids or anything. There are things I already am learning about as my interests and any time spent learning to add mods to computer games come at a cost of another interest or time with family/friends or chores or what have you. And then there are other things than computers I might save more than 200 hours of gaming if I learned about like home repair stuff. And this computer illiterate is relative. Believe it or not I help people out with their computer problems sometimes in a case where I know how to do something that they don’t. It is a good option to spend 3 hours maybe not learning anything (that I retain) as a computer skill but simply to add your computer program to help me store my items. I probably wouldn’t learn anything about computers though and by that I mean that I have modded games (edit: intended to mean that I learned how to install a mod on some games) before and that stuff is not retained in my memory it is just hurdles I go over with the result of having the mod installed but haven’t really learned anything. The two things about your mod are 1 if you look up in the thread I mentioned that with Titan Quest I literally screwed it up and the game would not run even with uninstall/reinstall. So there is a risk for me. A reward of having storage but a risk of screwing the game up completely. Second 50 characters is actually a lot of storage and I can probably change my current mule system so that I can do mostly what I wanted to do with the mules in the first place and delete some HC characters and not very useful mules or delete ‘sets’ mules because takes up too much. So to summarize yeah I could probably get this mod installed at some risk. But I probably wouldn’t retain anything much about computers and I have other interests and even non-interests that I could benefit more from than computers such as home repairs.

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That seems terribly inefficient. By mastery set bonus perhaps…youll need 10 just for nightblade though, they really like nightblade and about half the epics items seem made for nightblade bonuses for some reason.

I like to sort them by the kind of build they would make. It is a caster type item, stash it with a caster. A 2h, stash it with a Shaman. Pistols, with the Marauder or Demolitionist. Does not have to be perfect just some loose organization so you can remember where you put it. I would hate to have to remember where hundreds of items are stored across 50 characters. I’m getting frustrated and panicky just thinking about it.

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wwtchhuntr I was starting with the assumption I had unlimited characters slots which proved to be wrong!

But I wanted to store by gear slot e.g. Wrists. So if I have any character who needs a wrist item then I look at that stash.

And then if Wrists is too full (not counting too many copies of an item i dynamite) then i make SC Mule Wrists and SC Mule Wrists Spirit.

And then if SC Mule Wrists Spirit is too full then make SC Mule Wrists Spirit Level 60plus

But I had a wrong assumption that I had in practice infinite (huge amount) of character slots.

But I like filing by item slot because I don’t always even bother to Twink Out my characters whole gear. Rather just if they have a ‘weak’ slot either not a good item or a good item but doesn’t fit the character then I will go looking for a replacement at that slot.

But like I said my whole mule system needs to be adapted to the reality of only 50 character slots.

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I was not talkng about installing GD Stash but about using local saves. In any case, there is no way GD Stash can screw up your installed game because it does not change a single file of it, so there is no actual risk, only a perceived one due to lack of knowledge.
At most you could screw up some save files and not look into how to get the old version back.

I also doubt TQVault was responsible for whatever problem you had with TQ, that sounds completely impossible too. Even if it could screw TQ up, it could not do so the point that an uninstall and fresh install would not fix.

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Uninstall it, then blow away the directories for the game. Then re-install the game, make sure the base game works; then install a mod. Best way to do it.
However, this involves some computer skills.

IMHO, I find it hard to believe that claudius has created a mod for a game and doesn’t have some of these basic computer skills.

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I read that as installing a mod, not creating one. I agree, if you create mods I would expect you to know the basics we are discussing here.

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I bet writing this wall of text takes longer than installing gdstash;)

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To clarify I am talking about installing mods or moving the files in the link by KondaImmortal early on in the thread talking about changing to stop using cloud saves.

Also to clarify I don’t know what the problem was with Titan Quest. I couldn’t tell you if it was one of the mods (Vault, Defiler, Underlord, Xmax, Lilith, and masteries were installed at one time or another) or something else that I don’t know about. I can tell you that I could not get it working again on the computer I used at the time. And it was one of my favorite all time games if that tells you something I was not pleased that I couldn’t play it any more. Could it have been Underlord? That was the last mod I used on Titan Quest. Also just a comment but you have to not only consider possible damage from a mod properly installed but also have to consider a mod improperly installed due to user error. I will say both the link to your Stash program and the link KondalImmortal gave I do not understand the first paragraphs:

GD Stash is written in Java and stores all items in a database, so it truly is unlimited. Make sure to use a 64bit Java Virtual Machine. It also reads the information from database.arz into its own tables, so it does not always have to decode them after the initial setup.

I understand first sentence guessing Java is a programming language. The second sentence sounds like “the color of the paint is due to the crystal field splitting pattern because the paint atoms have d orbitals and according to Hunds rule the electrons enter the d orbitals unpaired first blah blah”. Most people probably do not understand that and I don’t understand computer terms. The second sentence is information for those who understand it. Anyone else who doesn’t understand just wants to have the gaming function and it is a bunch of hurdles to get a result that they want.

But yeah people use computers differently. For PC I use it as a gaming console pretty much and might tab out to look up gaming information. But if I am looking at forums, Facebook, etc then I am using a Mac laptop. And I am just making a comment on what I use. I don’t transfer files places because I never do that in use on a computer. For me a computer is: internet, e-mail, documents like keeping track of bills or recipes or ideas. That is someone’s assumption that transferring files is ‘basic information’. I’m sure it is but I never do it in my daily use.

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claudius, do you use Discord? I could walk you through the steps in either voice or text chat on it.

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KondaImmortal I appreciate the offer and maybe some time but right now I’m not in the right frame of mind and have some other things I need to do. I haven’t used Discord before.

I got using Mac stuff because my brother had a discount as he used to work at apple. So I haven’t used Discord. I use my PC as a gaming station which is actually a mac with bootcamp due to the discount and I haven’t updated that since 2010. I actually updated game wise instead with a Playstation and I use that also for Hulu and guitar lesson game for my girlfriend.

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Just send me a DM on here if you ever want help. I should see it within 24 hours.

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agreed, except that there really is nothing that actually can go wrong here. If you truly screw up the tool will not work, that is the extent of the possible damage and to accomplish that you already have to go out of your way a bit.

I will say both the link to your Stash program and the link KondalImmortal gave I do not understand the first paragraphs

not going to try to convince you, do what you feel is best for you. In your case I would recommend the executable version if you want to try it at all…

That being said, if you actually had tried to install it and followed the documentation it should have been pretty clear. In a size constrained summary I keep things concise and do not explain things that I expect most people to understand or figure out via Google in 30 seconds - and to be clear, I do expect people to know what 64bit means these days. 10-15 years ago maybe not because most were still stuck in 32bit land, but ever since Win 7 (2009) most definitely

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mamba from what you have written I may give it a shot.

My computer is running operating system windows 7 got computer from 2010. I don’t know what 64 bit refers to but I can look it up. I know it is the size of something but I don’t know if it refers to RAM or what. I remember gaming systems like Nintendo I think that was 8 bit but I don’t know what it refers to. It may not refer to RAM and may refer to the processor which I know can be dual or other multiple cores. I think I can find out how to look at what my computer specs are by google. I know how to look at specs on Mac OS but not windows but I can look it up. And probably can find what 64 bit refers to.

I might try the executable version of your stash program. I might really enjoy it. I have a question though. Is that (install executable version) all I have to do? Or do I have to resolve settings on steam cloud first? Do I have to first change the steam cloud to stop as my default save and switch to saving on my computer? Or will installing the executable accomplish what is needed in my case and faster than reading this thread as Aork had said?

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The tool does not touch the game at all, so if you are using cloud save now, you will still do so after you installed it.

You can use the tool with cloud save, but I do not recommend it. Cloud save is finnicky so while it is equally easy to store items, it is somewhat harder to bring them back into the game again.

With local saves, you can put them in the shared stash even while playing, as long as the shared stash is not open in game.
With cloud save you should not be running GD at all when making changes to the files as otherwise the game frequently (but not always, did not find a pattern/cause) uses the cloud version and your changes get lost.

Anyone who ever had problems (other than making a mistake himself) was using cloud save. The tool always reliably writes the files, but cloud save often ignores them. As with local saves there is one copy only, this never happens with local saves.

64bit refers both to the CPU (pretty much all are today) and the OS (I lump Java with the OSes here, for all intents and purposes that is what it is).
While you can run a 32bit OS on a 64bit CPU (and if you do, you really should have a good reason why, as it pretty much has only downsides), the reverse is not possible.
The bit-ness refers to the number of bits in an address, which basically tells you how much memory the OS can make use of. At 32bit it is 2^32 bytes, which is 4GB, and we breached that a long time ago. With 64bit it is 2^64 bytes, or 2^32 * 2^32, so you have plenty of space left…

That I recommend 64bit Java is due to the fact that Oracle’s 32bit JVM (which is what pretty much everyone uses) has some issues that their 64bit VM does not have (nor do other 32bit VMs, like IBMs however).
It does not like allocating RAM in blocks larger than around 200 MB, regardless of how much available RAM you have, by now I worked around that by creating my own buffer class, and if anyone ever runs out of heap space, that too is on the 32bit version. While you can increase heap space, that is just one more hurdle to overcome…

None of this is really relevant though, the first part is some technical details which you need not remember other than 64bit can use more memory than 32bit, and the second part is my rationale for why I say to use 64bit Java. Your takeaway really only has to be that when you go to the Java download page, which has a link to a 32bit version and a 64bit version, get the 64bit version.

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Good to know. Just curious but are there advantages for the user to using cloud? (not specific to GD but general for many games) For me it is just the default setting for steam. I never asked steam to use the cloud; I never wanted it. So the question arises is “why steam”? Is there some advantage to me?

That I recommend 64bit Java is due to the fact that ??Oracle’s?? 32bit ??JVM?? (which is what pretty much everyone uses) has some issues the their 64bit ??VM?? does not (nor do other 32bit ??VMs??, like IBMs however).
It does not like ??allocating RAM?? in blocks larger than around 200 MB, regardless of how much available RAM you have, by now I worked around that by crwating my own ??buffer class??, and if anyone ever runs out of ??heap space??, that too is on the 32bit version. While you can increase ??heap space??, that is just one more hurdle to overcome…

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There are potential advantages. 1) you can play the same saves on different computers without having to transfer them and 2) when you wipe everything and reinstall your PC, you do not need to worry about backing up the save files.

Neither one is important to me, so I disabled cloud save globally in Steam

As to all your question marks above, none of that stuff you need to know, see my summary. What you should remember is that when you download Java and there are links to 32bit and 64bit versions, download the latter :wink: The reasons for that are some technical details you need not worry about.
If you want to know them that is one thing (and we can derail the discussion into that direction or you can google what heap space is (not worth knowing unless you are a programmer) and what allocating RAM means (also not important to know)), but you do not need to know them :wink:

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Good to know and thanks.

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Just want to clarify something for myself. Is copying files (CTRL+C, CTRL+V) really that hard for you?:confused:

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Predator, I have never moved files. This was linked to by KondaImmortal
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20752

And I said it didn’t sound easy and sounded that there was some risk of damage should there be error.

But as I said different people use computers differently. I never knew that Ctrl V or Ctrl C could be used moving files. Also do you really want to clarify that for yourself? Believe it or not I know more about computers than many people I know. You might be from a younger generation than me who got more training available on computers for school. Or otherwise I don’t know why you ask for that clarification as many many people really do not do a lot of things like file swapping on computers. I like computer games. Not so much computers themselves.

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Interestingly to me because it is a coincidence I ended up using the command C command V today at the volunteer job I do 2 hours every other week. They are a nonprofit and usually I just go to their database and upload files that are in a place on their server into the database. The files are like papers customers/recipients have filled out and so these papers get put into the database.

So this time the files I uploaded not only uploaded (with the upload button) but also moved them to a different area of the server. So I used what I heard you people tell me in this thread. And it made it easier.