I haven’t personally found either of these recipes, but Grimtools seems to indicate that they’re there. Has anyone else found them/crafted anything interesting with them? Watcher Crest in particular looks nice.
Found them pretty quickly, they are just as good, or bad, as stoneplate greaves and such. Prepare to spend tons of iron for a tiny chance at something great.
To be honest there aren’t that many builds where a legendary wouldn’t be better. My opinion, anyway.