Occultists should not be "Witch Hunters"

[Dioarchet]

doesn’t matter… even if you renounce the WH to become a witch, that still means you could use the skills and be a WH, you just chose to become a witch instead, so having the skills does not automatically make you a witch

I think you’re saying two things here:

• Even if you renounce your WH title, you can still hunt [other] witches as a witch
  True, but the game retains your WH title even if you put points in Occultist. And one simply cannot be called a “Witch Hunter” if he himself is a witch.

• Having witch skills does not make you a witch
  Then what does?

Zantai mentioned Blade as his first example of “using their powers against them.” But there are some nuances here. Blade is only half-vampire and received a thoroughly pro-human upbringing. There are also a racial dichotomy between humans and vampires - they are biologically and culturally different, bar none. So there is no issue with Blade being a Vampire Hunter - he himself is not 100% biologically or culturally a vampire.

But what of witches and humans? Witches are humans too. So what distinguishes a witch from other humans? They would have to differ only through their actions. But what actions exactly? That is the issue here and what lore needs to expand on.

[ibugsy]

I love the human need to categorize everything by rules that are so rigid.

1. Do we know how one goes about becoming a Witch in Carin?

2. There is no Witch class. So player characters cannot be a Witch.

3. Occultists are not Witches; they are Occultists (See item #2). Occultists just happen to somehow tap into the Witch gods power, and, apparently, the Witch gods don’t care.

4. People can self-identify with a group, or not.

5. People can decide to identify a person with a group whether or not that person wants to belong the assigned group; or is even aware that others have placed them in a group.

I am right. All others are wrong. Why? Because that’s what I decided. :rolleyes:

[system]

I think that the point of naming things is to know what we are talking about in a given context.
For example, when we talk about “football” (name), almost everyone (context) knows what sport we are talking about,
but when we talk about “football” (name) in USA (context), we are talking about another sport, there the importance of context.
I think when someone, CRATE in this case creates an Universe, Grim Dawn (context) in this case, you can choose the name of things.
Thus whenever we speak of “witchhunters” in Grim Dawn, you can know what we are talking about.
Given that the name means nothing without the context, “witchhunters” class could be called “stonethrower” because it is just a name.
And a name without context is nothing.
Just my two cents.

thumbs up for a very clear explanation. Even a mindless dummy might understand the point.