Overhaul some bleed weapons

[Shoot2033]

Many know that bleed builds is not very popular nowadays(situation can be worse with upcoming DLC), some weapons still looks absurd,so:

1)Bloodsong. Cool weapon, but pierce ratio is very low,even with nadaan’s node. Increase this value at least to 30-35%, so this makes nice bleed/pierce hybrid.
2)Guillotine. Remove pierce ratio, here it’s useless.
3)Brutallax. Bleed/pierce axe that have (!!!) ZERO flat bleed base. Remove some physical/pierce properties in exchange of some bleed.
4)Guttriper. One of the main disadvantage on this rifle is LACK of cast speed. If you try to use like Phantasmal Blades w/o transmuter, you will know all suffering. Add at least 15% cast speed.
5) and 6)Night Claw and Gutsmasher. If you compare this to Brutallax and Guillotine(close equivalents) , they looks extremly bad. As for me, both weapons need full rethinking.

P.S. If i’m somewhere wrong or you can add about this, i will be glad to hear your opinion.

[Rhylthar]

Bloodsong is the best bleeding weapon ingame, especially for Bleeding Tricksters (which are popular ). High(est) flat bleeding damage of all Legendaries…no need to do anything. (One-handed).

Brutallax is for hybrids. Not the best weapon for Bleeding Builds and for Piercing, but solid. Won´t mind some flat bleeding, though I never invested any points in AQC.

Nightclaw…a little low flat bleeding. Rest is good, not only for Tricksters but for DW Warder, too. Procc could get a little bit more flat bleeding.

[Shoot2033]

Brutallax is for hybrids. Not the best weapon for Bleeding Builds and for Piercing

But for hybrids also is not the luckiest example, even with pierce/bleed devotion route.

[mad_lee]

Many know that bleed builds is not very popular nowadays(situation can be worse with upcoming DLC), some weapons still looks absurd,so:

1)Bloodsong. Cool weapon, but pierce ratio is very low,even with nadaan’s node. Increase this value at least to 30-35%, so this makes nice bleed/pierce hybrid.

Agree. Low pierce base makes the whole %piercing bonus on the weapon kind of useless. Either increase %armor piercing base or remove it and make it %physical/%bleeding.

2)Guillotine. Remove pierce ratio, here it’s useless.

Is it still there, lol.

3)Brutallax. Bleed/pierce axe that have (!!!) ZERO flat bleed base. Remove some physical/pierce properties in exchange of some bleed.

I would say, increase %armor piercing base first and foremost. Flat bleeding would be a good bonus. Right now weapon is useless because it cannot be fully converted into pierce.

4)Guttriper. One of the main disadvantage on this rifle is LACK of cast speed. If you try to use like Phantasmal Blades w/o transmuter, you will know all suffering. Add at least 15% cast speed.

Not sure if anyone will playing spam Bleeding Phantasmal Blades. Cooldown variant seems to be the best for that kind of bleeding build. I don’t think weapon needs anything.

5. and 6)Night Claw and Gutsmasher. If you compare this to Brutallax and Guillotine(close equivalents) , they looks extremly bad. As for me, both weapons need full rethinking.

Absolutely useless weapons, something needs to be done with them.

P.S. If i’m somewhere wrong or you can add about this, i will be glad to hear your opinion.

My comments in red.

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Bloodsong - it’s already top tier with messed up pierce bonuses. Imagine if you fix it.

Guillotine - I’m indifferent to this.

Brutallax - the myth version needs to be a pierce weapon with bleed secondary. At least 50% AP please, this way we can get 100% pierce with derp slicers (cause you only need 1 sword for nadaan to work with both hands even if the other isn’t a sword)

Gutripper - I’m okay with this as a bleed cadence weapon. PB could make it’s home on the other bad bleed weapons.

[Aldebaran]

Brutallax - the myth version needs to be a pierce weapon with bleed secondary. At least 50% AP please, this way we can get 100% pierce with derp slicers (cause you only need 1 sword for nadaan to work with both hands even if the other isn’t a sword)

50% AP on Brutallax would be just dreamy. But it probably won’t happen. I would settle even for 40-45% on it, even if we’d have to use some gear to get 100% pierce

[x1x1x1x2]

50% AP on Brutallax would be just dreamy. But it probably won’t happen. I would settle even for 40-45% on it, even if we’d have to use some gear to get 100% pierce

Even with 50% on Brutallax it still won’t be as good as belgo cause trickster has no pierce support whatsoever so please just give it to us

[Aldebaran]

Even with 50% on Brutallax it still won’t be as good as belgo cause trickster has no pierce support whatsoever so please just give it to us

I hear you! Piercing trickster is my (wet) dream

[demonobento]

I actually feel Gutsmasher is pretty good. Better than Guillotine actually, at least my bleeding warder is doing better with this than Guillotine in end-game Ultimate.

Gutripper feels ok as well, but a little buff is welcome.

[Aldebaran]

I actually feel Gutsmasher is pretty good. Better than Guillotine actually, at least my bleeding warder is doing better with this than Guillotine in end-game Ultimate.

Gutripper feels ok as well, but a little buff is welcome.

Glad to hear that about Gutsmasher. I guess the fact that the bleeding proc was reintroduced helps.

[Rhylthar]

I´m wondering how Gutsmasher could be better than Guillotine.

The Attack Speed, the bonus to Savagery and the procc…okay. But the Crit and the high flat bleeding should make Guillotine the better choice especially if you can get the Beserker Devotion.