That’s an artificial distinction.
I don’t get all the hostility to this suggestion.
How does this “kill replayability” wtf does anyone’s desire to turn their char around have to do with anyone else’s? If you don’t want to change your class, don’t.
I have a few characters on the go at the moment, I’m not going to switch up my level 40 occultist character into another class because I don’t have any items for their new class and my devotions fit my current build. I might want to change my second class to arcanist because I think it’d work better than demolistionist, or change to melee with some cool items I picked up and switch it to nightblade, but then…
How does it affect you if I do that?
At no point will it invalidate my lower level characters and their playthrough, because switching the build at level 85 doesn’t give me the same experience as playing through the game from scratch and attempting to bum rush my way through with a club and some crappy low level skills that don’t even blow up yet.
I’d like a button to reset an entire tree, I’d also like to not make my 30th Occultist or Arcanist just to dick around with some spells.
It drives down average time needed to come up with a perfect build, community-wide. Even the single players among us don’t always play in a complete vacuum. Diablo III didn’t have much theorycrafting time… at least in GD respeccing costs money.
This functionality should be modded in pretty quickly but I’d prefer not to see it in the official game.
why is it awesome to have a gold watch covered in diamonds? because everyone knows how much work goes into getting one… the same goes in games like this…
its all about pride…
i remember the days where you had to level with some shitty lvl 1 spell for 3 days before you could pick up the skill you wanted… those where the good days…
btw can you guys imagine a dungeons and dragons arpg? that skill system would be epic in a game like this… (JUST HAD TO SHARE THE THOUGHT)
Many people here are missing the point.
Why not let skill respecs be free? Why not have all loot be free? Why not let players have unlimited skill points at level 85?
The devs have a vision. All games have rules and constraints, and the design choices will impact the feel and philosophy of the game.
The developers WANT people to be able to make mistakes and pay for them. By disallowing class respec and making skill respecs get more and more costly, as well as being stuck with mastery points allocated, the devs have shown they want to reward players who put thought into their builds.
It’s a client side game. If you want to play the game differently then it was intended to be played, there will be mods.
This arguing is idiotic at best. It’s not a matter of right and wrong or “you’re not affected so why care?” It’s a matter of two groups of players both arguing that their gaming philosophy should be this game’s philosophy.
Well get over it. The developers have made their choice and if they change their mind they will change it. But get off this you’re wrong and I’m right nonsense. It’s a subjective matter toward the pros and cons of each design choice.
You can’t argue it constrains you because there are already tools freely available to play the game “your way.”
So you’re really arguing for how you want the masses to experience the game. But most of them won’t even reach ultimate. Most of them don’t even consider whether or not free respecs are good or bad. They take the game more or less at face value.
Neither design choice is better than the other. One is better for one type of player, one is better for the other.
It. Is. Not. That. Important.
So please let us be a bit more cordial when arguing over opinions. Just because you can’t comprehend that the other side may have a point, does not mean it isn’t there.
For the record I’m on neither side. I see why the developers made this choice and I wouldn’t care if they kept it or changed their mind.
It is? Speak for yourself. I do not really appreciate the “I have a lot of money and I want everyone to know it!” as a comparison point at all…
Many of us never show our inventories to anyone and it’s more of an issue of the game being more enjoyable when certain constraints are placed. It does not at all need to be about pride.
Starting this game i was quick to pick a class and didnt notice that I could Change the class before exiting out.
As it stand I would love to be able to switch one of my classes to another without having to restart a character.
Maybe finding a middle ground for this? A 1 time quest reward to reset a class? This would stop people from class changing a lot and help out people who would like to try out different combos a bit quicker without all the time consuming boring stuff in between.
A hard to farm set of items that would take a lot of time to reset 1 class. An insane amount of money to reset a class.
Not just a oh hey lets let you reset your classes whenever. Make it hard. Make it only available at max level?
There is a lot that can be done to appeal to both ends. You dont really have to do it. Also making it a limited number of times available or a scaling cost so the more you are doing it the harder it becomes to change.
End game at this moment in time are the rogue-like dungeons Steps of Torment and Bastion of Chaos.
and there are secrets to be found on Ultimate difficult I haven’t seen anyone post about yet.
Are you able to post a comment without getting personal? I wonder since I haven’t seen a single one. Furthermore I can’t lie and you can’t say the truth since we’re talking about something that can’t be measured by true or false. The term “endgame” is completely relative and therefore can be defined in infinite ways.
As others have pointed out the endgame in GD right now could be defined as farming gear in the highest difficulty, e.g. in rogue-like dungeons, and improve your character setup. This is also the foundation for endgame in pretty much every other RPG.
When you expect something else in terms of endgame than you define the term differently.
No time? I didn’t know there was a race going on. That excuse is a lame as you.
soon with mods 
So much this… wish all these threads would go away. Of the first 5 mods released this will be one of them. If you want it, it will be an option soon and if you don’t then you’ll never have to worry about it. Why is it not an option in the game? Because the dev’s made that choice, was the same in TQ so I know they’ve heard LOTS of feedback on it and… its still the same as it always was. that should tell you something.
You dont have to wait mod… THeir is already some cheat for that and you can find in the forum a giant GD cheater comunity
I hope this never change. no reset class for me
It always make me wonder why people have this attitude toward how someone else plays their game. It doesn’t affect you whether or not someone else can reset their mastery.
What if the option were in the game?
You don’t have to use it, it’s that simple. There are a lot of options in the game, a lot of choices. Some you use, some you don’t.
I don’t play a occultist/shaman but I don’t care if someone else does.
Just like when stash space comes up, people think that if they don’t need it no one should have it. If there was a hundred stash tabs the people that don’t like them can just not use them, simple.
Personally I’m for it, I might not use it all time because I have some willpower, but I have absolutely no problem if another person who I haven’t even met wants to play the game differently from the way I do.
What’s next, are you going to encourage cheating because it doesn’t directly affect you if only other people do it?
There are always baselines for this sort of thing, and they exist for a reason. The reason a class reset option doesn’t exist is because picking a class is a judgment check, and so you should be prepared to stick with that particular choice until the very end. It’s the devs’ prerogative that they want a game that forces you to think very carefully about some of the decisions you’ll be making.
That’s why no one will care if you use mods to do it anyway, because that implies that you’re playing the game based on someone else’s rules.
Careful, you are going to draw the ire of the community for a suggestion such as this, which will destroy their view of the ARPG, which has evolved very little since D2.
Personally, I don’t really have an issue with letting us change classes, but I’m in the minority. I don’t think that you should have to play a character till the end when you realize quite early on that you made a mistake. I think that it is really unreasonable to expect people to play for hundreds of hours because the game is not more accommodating.
I’ve made the suggestion before that it would be nice to implement the system from Tabula Rasa, where you clone your character before making class choices.
However, most of the playerbase will disagree with me, such as the guy above me.
It comes down to what I consider wasting time, and what others consider wasting time. I consider being forced to level up a new character every time I want one just to try a new build a waste of time. Sorry, I just do. WoW disabused me of the notion that leveling up characters through the same content over and over is fun in any sense of the word. Not when it takes about 50 hours to see if a build will work.
I know that many others disagree. That’s just the way it goes.
Not everything you want or I want needs to be in the base game. And that people like you think you are entitled to have everything you want at the cost of what others might want is an even bigger issue then the one you are crying aboot.
You can already get mods for stash, you can already reset your class through a trainer. Neither need to be implemented in the game by the developers.
Game Developers don’t need to grant every stupid request made to them, especially when they are purposefully making the game moddable. They do add some requests, but if they added every single request made then the game would no longer represent them and would more then likely be trash.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to upset you so much. You seem to make a lot of assumptions here, including that I was “crying” about something, that seem to come from nowhere at all.
“Game Developers don’t need to grant every stupid request made to them, especially when they are purposefully making the game moddable. They do add some requests, but if they added every single request made then the game would no longer represent them and would more then likely be trash.”
I see the sense here. “Let other people add to the game features we don’t want to be there so that the game will then be trash.”
I doubt that is there real line of reasoning.
They put out the game they wanted, with enough respect for their audience to say “We will help you play the game you want to play.” by making the game moddable.
I DO NOT expect the devs to listen to and implement every little thing one or two people want. Or even 100 or 1000.
What I was trying to get across was that if that feature were in the game it would be up to each individual player to decide how best to use it. I don’t care how you play your game, if you think using the ingame talent reset is too powerful you can not use it as a personal choice.
What is it you’re against? Choice? Ease of implementation of said choice?
I understand what you’re getting at, I guess I just don’t get why it’s an issue for you.
Here’s where I’m coming from. I don’t have fun re-doing the same content over and over in a slightly different way. I play with my wife, my son, my nephew, a solo toon, and 3 player with son/wife and son/nephew. I have different toons for each and only 1 is out of Veteran so far. Being able to respec masteries is very nice for me, and I will do it with a mod when a decent one comes online. Not a lot, maybe once or twice a toon.
I don’t plan on ATMA like hoarding anytime soon for some of the reasons others have outlined nor do I plan on editing other things on my toon. I learned my lesson in D2/TQ.
I just feel it would be nice to have the option ingame, I don’t demand it, expect it or cry about it.
Well, take that for what it’s worth I guess and try not to get too angry about how I would like to play.
Peace, and have fun playing this really great game, however you choose:)
TLDR, Calm down, have fun, play GD.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to upset you so much. You seem to make a lot of assumptions here, including that I was “crying” about something, that seem to come from nowhere at all.
“Game Developers don’t need to grant every stupid request made to them, especially when they are purposefully making the game moddable. They do add some requests, but if they added every single request made then the game would no longer represent them and would more then likely be trash.”
I see the sense here. “Let other people add to the game features we don’t want to be there so that the game will then be trash.”
I doubt that is there real line of reasoning.
They put out the game they wanted, with enough respect for their audience to say “We will help you play the game you want to play.” by making the game moddable.
I DO NOT expect the devs to listen to and implement every little thing one or two people want. Or even 100 or 1000.
What I was trying to get across was that if that feature were in the game it would be up to each individual player to decide how best to use it. I don’t care how you play your game, if you think using the ingame talent reset is too powerful you can not use it as a personal choice.
What is it you’re against? Choice? Ease of implementation of said choice?
I understand what you’re getting at, I guess I just don’t get why it’s an issue for you.
Here’s where I’m coming from. I don’t have fun re-doing the same content over and over in a slightly different way. I play with my wife, my son, my nephew, a solo toon, and 3 player with son/wife and son/nephew. I have different toons for each and only 1 is out of Veteran so far. Being able to respec masteries is very nice for me, and I will do it with a mod when a decent one comes online. Not a lot, maybe once or twice a toon.
I don’t plan on ATMA like hoarding anytime soon for some of the reasons others have outlined nor do I plan on editing other things on my toon. I learned my lesson in D2/TQ.
I just feel it would be nice to have the option ingame, I don’t demand it, expect it or cry about it.
Well, take that for what it’s worth I guess and try not to get too angry about how I would like to play.
Peace, and have fun playing this really great game, however you choose:)
TLDR, Calm down, have fun, play GD.